Re: Frames

On 1/22/2025 1:05 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:

Am 21 Jan 2025 20:40:36 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
 

Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:

Am 21 Jan 2025 10:56:06 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
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Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:

Am 20 Jan 2025 18:39:14 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
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MTB frame’s are quite a bit more designed this century some of which coming
from the rise of full suspension, but also designing the bike for its
intended use.

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I don't really care, because we didn't take part in the flight from the
roads to “infrastructure” or forest and gravel paths, which was
propagated from all sides of the spectrum, over the past decades.
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That was never a use case for MTB’s particularly or rather bit or a lot
overkill for its use.

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This was perhaps a use case for cycle paths. They often hardly differ
from off-road.

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I’ve not encountered any cyclepaths that requires a MTB,

 I have, and a lot of it. Mud, potholes filled with water, broken
concrete slabs, half-finished construction sites, milled-out blacktop,
makeshift pits filled with sand and gravel after the laying of supply
lines ...
 But that wasn't the point.  It doesn't matter if you've encountered such
bike paths or if a concrete path _requires_ an MTB. People buy an MTB
because some of the bike paths they have to use, or think they might
have such conditions.
 

some park paths
and so on, might not be the best on 23mm tyres say, though if dry doable if
perhaps not wildly enjoyable.
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my main commute uses number of parks and a old cycleway which is a bit
rough 32mm tyres are plenty in terms of comfort, I avoid the parks when
it’s wet as the roadie will take 32mm tyres but not mudguards plus the aim
was to be slightly quicker, which generally means not linking the three
Parks which is a bit of arc and being foremost parks/nature reserves than
bike infrastructure are bit mucky in winter, unlike the old Cycleway which
is if anything less grimy than the roads.

 I think that proves my point.  I avoid "bike infrastructure" where I
can, because it is inferiour, you just put up with them.   Other people
believe that switching to an MTB solves the matter.
 It does not.  A MTB is just the better bike for bad infrastucture.
 

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One of the reasons Gravel bikes took off such bikes are fun on such stuff
and roads rather than being a slog/magic carpet ride.

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Fire roads and similar are dull on a MTB it’s able to just flatten that
sort of terrain, Gravel or hybrids are much more interesting and generally
a fair bit lighter etc.

 IMO gravel bikes have replaced randonneurs and merged with them. It's
more about renaming and rebranding than about real differences.
 The fun part is, like randonneurs, gravel bikes work quite well with
slicks, no gravel tires necessary.  So like with MTB that never see a
mountain, the name is quite misleading.
 

+1 to that.
Not different in kind, merely marketing enhancement.
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