Re: People Without Meaningful Lives Seek Power Over Others

On 1/22/2025 10:03 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 1/22/2025 8:00 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Tue Jan 21 12:24:52 2025 Frank Krygowski  wrote:

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To me, it seems parallel to a toll road. "You want to drive here? Then
pay to help defray the costs."
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It's also parallel to a train ticket or an airline ticket. "Sorry, you
don't get to use the facility for free. We're not going to subsidize it
to that level."
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Each car imposes external negatives on others. That's especially true in
car-crowded cities. It seems to make sense to reduce those using market
economics.

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Frank! Why are you completely unaware of the economics of roads?

 I'm not, Tom Why do you think I am?
 

EVERY taxpayer and that includes you, pays for the construction of roads in his state of residence.

 Yes, that was part of my argument when I was pointing out that like rail transportation, roads don't pay for themselves via tickets, fares, etc.
  > The roads are constructed and maintained with a combination of state, local and federal taxes!
 Of course!
  > What you are saying is that those who pay more taxes should have priority use of the roads!
 Um, you mean like something as impossible as a toll road? Or some HOV lanes? Where you are allowed to use the pavement only if you pay? Yes, I'm saying that's appropriate for some super-congested city centers.
 In fact, I think if we could do so, road taxes should all be on such a per-mile-driven system, maybe modified additionally for the weight of the vehicle.

Texas tried it
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2024/10/23/a-look-at-texas-private-toll-roads/
at least in one case, it didn't go so well:
https://www.texasobserver.org/texas-tollway-288-steep-price/
"Since the tollway opened in November 2020, toll rates have increased by more than 160 percent, going from $11 for the full 20-mile round trip during peak hours to $29 dollars now. "