Re: Most significant advance in bike technology for speed?

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Sujet : Re: Most significant advance in bike technology for speed?
De : Soloman (at) *nospam* old.bikers.org (Catrike Ryder)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.tech
Date : 03. Feb 2025, 12:17:19
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On Mon, 03 Feb 2025 11:32:19 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 12:43:08 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:
>
On 2/1/2025 8:58 AM, AMuzi wrote:
 
People do make individual decisions based on their individual
evaluations of their individual circumstances, abilities etc. by their
own individual criteria.  And then they live or die by those decisions.
 
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/01/garbage-collector-shoots-2-armed-robbers-
outside-elementary-school-killing-1.html
 
In my personal opinion it is not morally superior do die while being
robbed. YMMV.
>
A parallel statement that might be made by other people about spiders,
snakes, ghosts, enclosed spaces, and dozens of other phobias. Requiring
a gun to ride on a quiet bike path where young mothers push kids in
strollers is paranoid. And if I lived somewhere where I needed a gun to
fend off armed robbers, I'd move.
>
>
Well... Ohio is only 14 from the top of the list in Robbery Rate
https://www.statista.com/statistics/232564/robbery-rate-in-the-us-by-state/
>
But more perhaps more interesting is how do you know that you " needed
a gun to fend off armed robbers"?
>
Until you actually do need it?

Krygowski likes to refer to benefit-detriment analysis, so I'll apply
that to my carrying a gun.

First of all, detriments to my carrying a gun are almost nonexistent.
The little Bersa with 9 rounds weighs less than two lbs, and it's
location does not inconvenience me in any way. The cost of buying the
gun and ammunition and the time and expense of practicing with it are
far outweighed by the enjoyment I get out of it.

As for benefits, I admit that the chance of me needing a gun for
protection on my bike rides is very low so the benefit of carrying one
for protection is also very low, but certainly not nonexistent. On the
other hand, I enjoy solving problems and creating things, so designing
and constructing my method of carrying it was a one time benefit. The
fact that Krygowski whines and complains about my carrying a gun is
also an unexpected added benefit. One that just keeps on giving.

Krygowski's inherent paranoid fear of guns far outweighs any benefit
he could get from one, so I understand his own personal
benefit-detriment analysis would be different.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

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