Re: Ove Interest?

On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 15:17:39 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 14:48:31 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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On 2/16/2025 5:48 AM, John B. wrote:

 
well the gun in the house thing is certainly, correct.... as long as
someone in the house wants to shoot you :-)
 
But  I suspect that many people live in houses where the other partner
doesn't want to shoot his, hers, its,  partner.

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What you posted, John, is blindingly obvious. But it avoids the point
that I've made, and that data has confirmed.

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<LOL> Nonsense... 
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A very large proportion of people with guns in the home say they have
the gun for "protection." That is, they believe they are less likely to
be subject to serious violence if they have a gun readily available.
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The data is clear that their assumption is false. The people with guns
in the house are _more_ likely to suffer serious violence, and that's
true no matter where they live. The serious violence normally does not
come from outsiders. It comes from someone in their own house.
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Beyond that, the gun isn't very likely to be useful against outside
aggressors, as your own personal story indicated.
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I know you love guns, but what I've posted are the facts. You should be
able to love guns while understanding that their value is highly overrated.

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"The data is clear that their assumption is false. The people with
guns in the house are _more_ likely to suffer serious violence, and
that's true no matter where they live."
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Nonsense, there's no data that even hints at such a thing. The idea
that the reason someone might be "more likely to suffer serious
violence" because they have a gun in their home is ridiculous beyond
rational thought.

I suspect that if you were to study all cases of someone murdering
another person in the same household you will find many cases where a
gun was used. However that doesn't mean that it is the gun that is at
fault. As I've mentioned my own family had guns in the house for at
least three and counting my kids four generations with no problems and
growing up in rural New England guns were not uncommon, as I've said,
every farm family, for sure, had at one. How else to keep the fox out
of the chicken house.

I could go even further. In early colonial times, before any thought
of a nation some colonies had a law that every adult male MUST have a
weapon and bring them to church on Sunday so that a check could be
made that he actually had a weapon and ammunition. Strange, isn't it
that with a gun in every house in settlement there are no records of
massive gun deaths.

In short, the statement that a gun in the house is dangerious is just
what the "Anti Gunners" want to hear and so they repeat it over and
over and over.

The old saying that "guns don't shoot people, people shoot people"
really is true.

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Cheers,

John B.