Sujet : Re: Ove Interest?
De : Soloman (at) *nospam* old.bikers.org (Catrike Ryder)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.techDate : 18. Feb 2025, 13:13:24
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On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 21:22:02 -0500, Frank Krygowski
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On 2/17/2025 9:15 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 2/17/2025 7:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/17/2025 3:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 2/17/2025 2:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/17/2025 11:43 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>
Despite the paucity of guns intended for "protection," Canadians
don't seem to suffer from hordes of bad guys beating down front
doors of homes. And I've not read of Canadian bike path users
suffering from vicious attacks - although I suppose anything is
possible!
>
Right and as noted by Mr Tricycle (and others here over the years)
Canada enjoys much smaller rates of crime and especially violent
crime overall. Different culture, different population densities,
etc. Mexico conversely has even more restrictive firearms regulation
than Canada, and those statutes are many times older, and yet violent
crime and especially homicide by firearm are radically higher in
Mexico. Different culture with many differences, not only regarding
homicide.
>
Mexico is famous for its relatively weak government, its drug cartels
and their control over various levels of government, its massive
illegal importation of American guns, its income inequality, its lack
of legal income opportunities, etc. Yes, there are many factors, but
prevalence of guns is absolutely a big contributor to their problems.
(How much power would the cartels have without guns?)
>
Of the factors I listed, note how many apply to young American guys
living in inner city ghettos. The situation is much the same. And of
course, in the U.S. efforts to (e.g.) reduce income inequality get
blasted as "socialism," and efforts to restrict the flow of guns are
blasted as "unconstitutional." But without the guns, the murder rate
would have to be much lower. It's a fact that one gang can't quickly
kill four of the opposing gang just by using clubs and knives. It's
just not practical.
>
Canadians can and do get the guns they need for legitimate uses. The
restrictions are no great burden on them. And partly because their
criminal types have much more trouble getting and keeping guns,
ordinary citizens don't feel the need to nurture Quick Draw fantasies.
>
Odd you mention socialism. Mexico wrote the world's first socialist
Constitution. How's that going for the first 100 years? Any positive
results yet?
>
:-) Ah! A change in topic!
>
It seems that "socialism," however you define it, doesn't work as well
in Mexico as it does in, say, Norway, Netherlands, Finland, France,
Germany, Canada, etc. etc. etc.
>
But by many measures, those countries work at least as well as the U.S.
That's nonsense. The USA is by far, the most powerful and influential
entity in the world. The countries that Krygowski stated above live
under the protection umbrella of the USA.
-- C'est bonSoloman