Re: Ove Interest?

On 3/4/2025 7:37 AM, John B. wrote:

 

breathtaking views of Iowa.On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 20:45:39 -0500, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

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John, I've given several links over the years to data clearly showing
that guns in the home correlates with more shootings within the home, no
matter what the surrounding environment.
Your simplistic re-phrasing doesn't disprove that data.

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 I've mentioned this before but even a casual review of Switzerland
shows that at least a quarter of Swiss households contain a firearm
but
"home shootings" are extremely rare.
 Perhaps Frank can explain why guns in the house are so terrifying in
the U.S.?

The "so terrifying" is your usual mocking hyperbole. I'm frequently in friends' houses that contain guns. I'm not terrified, but I do recognize the reality of increased risk, as data clearly shows.
First, as usual, let's talk about the data - which you, as usual, will ignore. Yes, Switzerland has lots of guns, but far fewer per person than the U.S. Their ownership rate is about one quarter of the U.S. rate. I think if U.S. gun ownership were that low, our gun homicide rate would drop tremendously.
Swiss gun ownership, unlike that of the U.S., really and honestly is connected to a "well regulated militia." Most U.S. gun fans have nothing to do with a true militia. Instead it's more common to have fantasies about "protection" by fast draws or high rates of fire.
But Swiss men must serve in their military, unless they are mentally or physically unable to. The rationale for keeping their service arms is to protect against military invasion from, say, Nazi Germany in WW2 or Russia today. They get military training with their guns and are taught to respect them, not treat them as toys.
In fact, Swiss are taught and required to store their guns securely, even disassembled to prevent theft. That certainly must reduce impulse shootings of family members. (Perhaps you do that, John. Perhaps that's the reason your gun was no use to you during the near-deadly home invasion you told us about.)
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- Frank Krygowski