Re: Ove Interest?

On Wed, 05 Mar 2025 05:47:49 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 23:21:44 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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On 3/4/2025 6:52 PM, John B. wrote:

 
The point is that Frank, over and over, has told us that guns in
houses results in increased home shootings, no, "is", "maybe", "that
example doesn't count" excuses.

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The available data for America clearly shows that. American households
with guns have a much higher incidence of family members killing family
members, compared to American households without guns, no matter what
sort of neighborhood.
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That's the data that exactly applies to the point you're addressing. Why
do you discount that data and go looking for excuses?
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And now, when I mention that Switzerland doesn't have the same
problem, Suddenly, Frankie comes up with all the  same "is", "Maybe"
and "don't count" excuse that he has ignored for years.

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Look again, John. Switzerland has far fewer guns per person than the
U.S. Switzerland also has far fewer shooting deaths per person than the
U.S.
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Switzerland has more guns per person than France. Switzerland also has
more shooting deaths per person than France.
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Switzerland has more guns per person than Britain. Switzerland also has
more shooting deaths per person than Britain.
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We can repeat this with the same results for many, many countries. But
of prosperous "developed" nations, the U.S. is an outlier, both
regarding number of guns and gun death rates per capita.
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So the real question is "Is Frank simply a confirmed liar"? Or is
Frank so stupid that he never bothered to actually study the subject
and just parroted the "party line" as it were?

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I'd say the question is "Is John really unable to understand the data?"
I suspect you're not. Instead, I suspect your deep reverence for guns
doesn't allow you to even consider data contrary to your position.

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"The available data for America clearly shows that. American
households with guns have a much higher incidence of family members
killing family members, compared to American households without guns,
no matter what sort of neighborhood."
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Which does not mean that guns are the cause.
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I suspect that households with drugs also have a much higher incidence
of family members killing family members, compared to American
households without drugs.

I just came across a study
]http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/den24a.jpg
Total by Firearm - 209
Total without  - 211

I agree that any death is tragic but why the loud cries about less
then half the total deaths and not a peep about the majority?

And these were deaths in the home. If you add in deaths on the highway
you can make home deaths look like candy for kids... but of course
they are "accidents".. I read largely due to drunk driving, speeding
and Distracted Driving... but, of course those are "Accidents".

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Cheers,

John B.