Re: Hit and run of multiple cyclists

rOn Fri, 07 Mar 2025 20:56:28 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 21:53:03 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
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On 3/7/2025 9:02 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 3/7/2025 9:56 PM, AMuzi wrote:

On 3/7/2025 7:06 PM, John B. wrote:

On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 08:09:25 -0600, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
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https://ktla.com/news/local-news/hit-and-run-driver-
plows-into- bicyclists-handing-out-red-cards-in-boyle-
heights/
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of note, perp's auto has a bicycle carrier on the back.

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I wonder about the "red cards". My experience with
"immigrants" is
somewhat limited but my experience has been that "They"
knew more
about the Immigration Laws then I (a citizen) did :-)

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Illegals have more motivation!

 
So do legal immigrants, which should be no surprise.
 

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As is often said, liars need excellent memories to keep
their stories straight.
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My broad experience with immigrants among my family,
employees and customers I can't say they concerned
themselves much with various 'rights' they could falsely
claim. They just had their papers in order. And slept well.

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That wasn't the case when my parents and I arrived in the USA via
Ellis Island in about 1953.  This was the tail end of Senator Joe
McCarthy and the Red (Russian) Scare:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism>
the HUAC:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-American_Activities_Committee>
and the associated cold war Communist witch hunts.  From my parents
point of view, and from that of most immigrants from Europe, the
committee was a copy of Hitler and Friends had done before WWII.  If
you were a socialist, communist, gypsy, anarchist, or even a pacifist,
you would be "denounced" by the committee or by some random person,
and deported to some place unpleasant. 
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/denounce>
"to tell someone in authority about a person's illegal activities,
especially illegal political activities"
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No trial was needed.  For the freshly minted immigrants to the USA,
this was a very real concern (or fear).  My parents and friends were
seriously worried.  I was also worried, but because I really didn't
understand what was happening, I just followed their example.  For a
time, we became very wary of neighbors, police, officials, anyone in
authority, etc.
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My extended family did their best to try and "fit in" and become an
American.  We learned to juggle the knife and fork like Americans,
instead of just holding the fork in the left hand and the knife in the
right.  We spent quite a bit of effort learning to read and write
English and understand American slang.  At the time, I was a 5+ year
old and had no difficulty learning all the languages required to
communicate with the neighbors, relatives, schools, and of course, the
Americans.  However, in public, all the immigrants made it a point to
only speak English.  My original native languages were German and
Polish, which my insisted should only be spoken indoors at home or at
a relatives house.  Anywhere else, it was "speak English or say
nothing".
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This is 2nd hand from various relatives.  None of the immigrants spoke
about "rights".  If they were Jewish, and lived in the wrong
countries, they literally had no rights.  Having rights in the USA
seemed so improbable to some immigrants that they literally did not
believe that it was possible.  I was told that one immigrant received
a summons for some minor legal matter.  My parents caught up with him
as he was busy disposing of his possessions and preparing to leave the
country.  He explained that it was better to leave than to get thrown
in an American concentration camp.
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I can go on forever with such stories but I would prefer to do
whatever I did on Friday evening before I discovered computers.  I
think it's sufficient to say that being an immigrant can be a very
traumatic experience, full of bad information and misinterpretations.
It's no surprise that they do strange and difficult to explain things.

My experience has been somewhat different but granted it doesn't reach
as far back as your's probably do :-) My first was Japanese and came
to the U,S, with a life time "pass" to reside in the U'S, as the wife
of a Serviceman. Then she decided that is she was going to live in the
U.S. she ought to become a citizen. It turned out that some agency was
conducting a course for women that wanted to become citizen.


so she went off a couple of evenings a week with another Japanese girl
and I was unnecessary un till the last day when they "Did the Deed" so
to speak and had to show proof a living U.S. husband :-)

I certainly got asked a lot of questions during the learning period
that I couldn't answer :-)
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Cheers,

John B.