Re: Dead Vermont cyclist

On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 14:56:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On 3/15/2025 2:38 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 14:02:49 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
 

On 3/15/2025 9:02 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 15 Mar 2025 10:03:53 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
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Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 22:47:32 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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On 3/14/2025 4:37 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:10:40 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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On 3/14/2025 1:25 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 11:44:15 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

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Nope, I'm not sympathetic. What rule could be more fundamental than
"Don't hit someone walking (or bicycling) with your car"?
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And if killing someone with your car isn't sufficient for forbidding
future driving, what would be?
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Is the permission to drive really more important than a person's life?

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Isn't there a law against riding your bicycle in the path of a moving
car?

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What nonsense!

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Oh well, go ahead and do it....

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I do it all the time. I did it many times on today's ride, as usual. I'm
not nearly as fearful or as ignorant of the law as you are.
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Man up, if you can.

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I'm pretty sure that if I ride into the path of fast moving vehicles
and get hit, it'd be my own fault.
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--
C'est bon
Soloman
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There is world of difference between riding on a road, as one should be
able to so, and other users of the road as every have to adjust to others
using the road, back in wales I can encounter all manner of vehicles and
animals!
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Even in london and areas around get
pedestrians/scooters/bikes/horses/motorbikes/milk
floats/vans/buses/lorries.
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All of which will use the roads in different ways, unless it?s a motorway
where all traffic is broadly traveling same speeds.
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Roger Merriman

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Of course I'm not arguing against riding on streets and roads. I do it
regularly. Buit just like in a vehicle, moving into the path of a
faster moving vehicle might not be a good idea.
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At 30 mph you need roughly 120 feet to come to a complete stop (65
feet to react and 55 feet to brake) in good conditions.
  
At 60 mph you need roughly 360 feet to come to a complete stop (130
feet to react and 190 feet to brake) in good conditions.
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https://zutobi.com/us/driver-guides/reaction-braking-stopping-distance
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--
C'est bon
Soloman
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Don’t think Frank would have issue with that, only pushback I guess being
folks speeding or not driving to the conditions, but in general do need to
take into account oncoming traffic and that you have a gap to pull
into/cross safely.

Let's please recall that Mr. Tricycle Rider's original statement was
"Isn't there a law against riding your bicycle in the path of a moving
car?"
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Note he did NOT say "pull out suddenly into the path of a moving car."
He may now be pretending he said that, or he may have been thinking that
while unable to express himself correctly. But his original statement
applied to any bicyclist riding in a normal position on a normal road
with a moving car somewhere behind him.

 
No, "in the path" quite clearly means where the vehicle is going to
be.

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:-)  Yes, of course. And when I'm riding a highway or country road, I am
where the vehicle is going to be.
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Sheesh!
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And Mr. Tricycle may indeed +be terrified of that! He did say, long ago,
that "Nothing can make [it] safe..." Which is why he rides almost
entirely back and forth on a flat Florida bike path. (Boring!)
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I think everyone else here rides on normal roads almost all the time,
with no great fears.

 
Indeed, "Nothing can make bicycling among truck and car traffic safe.
I very seldom do it anymore."
--Catrike Rider.
 
"Nearly 1,000 bicyclists die and over 130,000 are injured in crashes
that occur on roads in the United States every year.
https://www.cdc.gov/pedestrian-bike-safety/about/bicycle-safety.html

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Oooh, so scary!
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Over 40,000 motorists die each year. Over 7000 pedestrians die every
year, hit by cars. In fact, go to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate  and
scroll down to Road Injuries to compare bicycles, motorists,
motorcyclists and pedestrians. Go farther down to compare with drownings
and poisonings.
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You should worry about bicycling about as much as you worry about being
poisoned.
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Why is it that some cyclists are so dedicated to pretending cycling is
horribly dangerous? I mean, if you're timid, that's one thing. But
there's no need to try to make others afraid.

So, Krygowski admits that bicycling can be dangerous but other things
are dangerous too.

Single handling 36 foot sloop in open water hundreds of miles from
land can be dangerous. Scuba diving can be dangerous. I can attest to
that having suffered a very painful case of the bends in one ankle
after diving the Palancar Caves at Counsel.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53147607323/

I've also done a number of shark feeding dives. They can be a little
dangerous, but much less than the hype.

https://allstarliveaboards.com/blackbeards-shark-diving/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53738997189/

I did seven Blackbeard's trip and several other live aboard scuba
trips further out in the Caribbean. Flying into the little island of
Saba is exciting, and perhaps a little dangerous.
https://simpleflying.com/welcome-to-saba-landing-on-the-worlds-shortest-commercial-runway/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/54388972018/

Great diving there...
https://www.scubadiving.com/divers-guide-to-scuba-diving-in-saba

Threading the needle at 90 feet down is a little dangerous, but the
sharks around Saba are more dangerous. They're not the mostly
"domesticated sharks on the Blackbeard's shark dives.

Backpack hiking and camping in Glacier National park can be dangerous
what with bears and mountain lions.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53147327584/

On the other hand, , "Nothing can make bicycling among truck and car
traffic safe. I very seldom do it anymore."
 --Catrike Rider.

--
C'est bon
Soloman