Re: Job Offer

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Sujet : Re: Job Offer
De : am (at) *nospam* yellowjersey.org (AMuzi)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.tech
Date : 17. Mar 2025, 18:06:55
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Organisation : Yellow Jersey, Ltd.
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On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
 
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
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Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
>
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person.
It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the
person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that
successfully is an accomplishment.
>
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few
denizens who think they can accomplish just as much
without that tool.
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In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
>
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I don't think it's binary or Manichean.  That is, both or
all can be true in different examples.
>
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in
their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much
from the same background (Franklin).
>
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that
his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel
Prizes had they existed.
>
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was
great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no
schooling."
>
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Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
>
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources
vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a
good return for everyone.
>
Again this is the difference between education broadly and
certification specifically.  No one wants a heart surgeon or
structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his
field:
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
 I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in
fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division,
which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve....  I
did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it
over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the
assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little
homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The
ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the
"daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt
their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
 Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I
know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those
kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also airplane mechanics.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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14 Mar 25 * Re: Job Offer410Frank Krygowski
14 Mar 25 +* Re: Job Offer386Zen Cycle
14 Mar 25 i+* Re: Job Offer383Zen Cycle
15 Mar 25 ii+* Re: Job Offer12John B.
15 Mar 25 iii+* Re: Job Offer2zen cycle
17 Mar 25 iiii`- Re: Job Offer1zen cycle
15 Mar 25 iii+* Re: Job Offer5AMuzi
15 Mar 25 iiii+- Re: Job Offer1John B.
15 Mar 25 iiii`* Re: Job Offer3Frank Krygowski
15 Mar 25 iiii +- Re: Job Offer1Jeff Liebermann
15 Mar 25 iiii `- Re: Job Offer1Catrike Ryder
16 Mar 25 iii+* Re: Job Offer2Jeff Liebermann
17 Mar 25 iiii`- Re: Job Offer1zen cycle
17 Mar 25 iii`* Re: Job Offer2zen cycle
18 Mar 25 iii `- Re: Job Offer1zen cycle
15 Mar 25 ii`* Re: Job Offer370Frank Krygowski
16 Mar 25 ii +* Re: Job Offer360Frank Krygowski
16 Mar 25 ii i`* Re: Job Offer359Catrike Ryder
16 Mar 25 ii i +* Re: Job Offer79AMuzi
16 Mar 25 ii i i+* Re: Job Offer77Jeff Liebermann
16 Mar 25 ii i ii+* Re: Job Offer45Catrike Ryder
17 Mar 25 ii i iii+* Re: Job Offer43Frank Krygowski
17 Mar 25 ii i iiii+- Re: Job Offer1Catrike Ryder
17 Mar 25 ii i iiii+* Re: Job Offer38AMuzi
17 Mar 25 ii i iiiii`* Re: Job Offer37Frank Krygowski
17 Mar 25 ii i iiiii +- Re: Job Offer1Catrike Ryder
17 Mar 25 ii i iiiii +* Re: Job Offer32AMuzi
17 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i`* Re: Job Offer31Catrike Ryder
17 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i `* Re: Job Offer30AMuzi
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i  `* Re: Job Offer29John B.
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i   `* Re: Job Offer28Catrike Ryder
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    +* Re: Job Offer24John B.
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    i+* Re: Job Offer21Catrike Ryder
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii`* Re: Job Offer20Catrike Ryder
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii +* Re: Job Offer18John B.
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii i+* Re: Job Offer2Catrike Ryder
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii ii`- Re: Job Offer1Roger Merriman
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii i+* Re: Job Offer14Catrike Ryder
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii ii`* Re: Job Offer13Roger Merriman
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii ii +* Re: Job Offer4Rolf Mantel
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii ii i`* Re: Job Offer3Catrike Ryder
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii ii i `* Re: Job Offer2Rolf Mantel
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii ii i  `- Re: Job Offer1Catrike Ryder
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii ii +- Re: Job Offer1AMuzi
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii ii `* Re: Job Offer7Catrike Ryder
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii ii  `* Re: Job Offer6AMuzi
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii ii   +* Re: Job Offer2Zen Cycle
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii ii   i`- Re: Job Offer1AMuzi
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii ii   +- Re: Job Offer1Catrike Ryder
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii ii   `* Re: Job Offer2Roger Merriman
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii ii    `- Re: Job Offer1AMuzi
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii i`- Re: Job Offer1Rolf Mantel
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    ii `- Re: Job Offer1Roger Merriman
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    i`* Re: Job Offer2AMuzi
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    i `- Re: Job Offer1John B.
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    +* Re: Job Offer2AMuzi
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    i`- Re: Job Offer1Catrike Ryder
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii i    `- Re: Job Offer1Catrike Ryder
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii `* Re: Job Offer3Frank Krygowski
18 Mar 25 ii i iiiii  `* Re: Job Offer2Frank Krygowski
19 Mar 25 ii i iiiii   `- Re: Job Offer1Zen Cycle
18 Mar 25 ii i iiii`* Re: Job Offer3Frank Krygowski
18 Mar 25 ii i iiii +- Re: Job Offer1Catrike Ryder
18 Mar 25 ii i iiii `- Re: Job Offer1zen cycle
17 Mar 25 ii i iii`- Re: Job Offer1Jeff Liebermann
17 Mar 25 ii i ii`* Re: Job Offer31Frank Krygowski
17 Mar 25 ii i ii +* Re: Job Offer29Jeff Liebermann
17 Mar 25 ii i ii i+* Re: Job Offer11John B.
17 Mar 25 ii i ii ii`* Re: Job Offer10Jeff Liebermann
17 Mar 25 ii i ii ii +- Re: Job Offer1Jeff Liebermann
18 Mar 25 ii i ii ii `* Re: Job Offer8John B.
18 Mar 25 ii i ii ii  `* Re: Job Offer7zen cycle
18 Mar 25 ii i ii ii   +* Re: Job Offer5John B.
18 Mar 25 ii i ii ii   i+* Re: Job Offer3zen cycle
18 Mar 25 ii i ii ii   ii`* Re: Job Offer2John B.
18 Mar 25 ii i ii ii   ii `- Re: Job Offer1AMuzi
18 Mar 25 ii i ii ii   i`- Re: Job Offer1AMuzi
18 Mar 25 ii i ii ii   `- Re: Job Offer1Jeff Liebermann
17 Mar 25 ii i ii i+* Re: Job Offer15AMuzi
17 Mar 25 ii i ii ii`* Re: Job Offer14Jeff Liebermann
17 Mar 25 ii i ii ii +- Re: Job Offer1AMuzi
17 Mar 25 ii i ii ii +- Re: Job Offer1Catrike Ryder
17 Mar 25 ii i ii ii `* Re: Job Offer11Shadow
17 Mar 25 ii i ii ii  `* Re: Job Offer10Jeff Liebermann
18 Mar 25 ii i ii ii   +- Re: Job Offer1Catrike Ryder
18 Mar 25 ii i ii ii   +* Re: Job Offer2Shadow
18 Mar 25 ii i ii ii   i`- Re: Job Offer1Jeff Liebermann
18 Mar 25 ii i ii ii   `* Re: Job Offer6Frank Krygowski
18 Mar 25 ii i ii ii    +- Re: Job Offer1Catrike Ryder
18 Mar 25 ii i ii ii    `* Re: Job Offer4AMuzi
18 Mar 25 ii i ii ii     `* Re: Job Offer3Roger Merriman
18 Mar 25 ii i ii ii      `* Re: Job Offer2Shadow
18 Mar 25 ii i ii ii       `- Re: Job Offer1Roger Merriman
17 Mar 25 ii i ii i`* Re: Job Offer2Jeff Liebermann
18 Mar 25 ii i ii i `- Re: Job Offer1Jeff Liebermann
17 Mar 25 ii i ii `- Re: Job Offer1Catrike Ryder
17 Mar 25 ii i i`- Re: Job Offer1John B.
16 Mar 25 ii i `* Re: Job Offer279Jeff Liebermann
16 Mar 25 ii i  `* Re: Job Offer278AMuzi
17 Mar 25 ii i   `* Re: Job Offer277John B.
17 Mar 25 ii i    `* Re: Job Offer276Shadow
16 Mar 25 ii `* Re: Job Offer9Shadow
19 Mar 25 i`* Re: Job Offer2sms
15 Mar 25 +* Re: Job Offer19Frank Krygowski
17 Mar 25 `* Re: Job Offer4Jeff Liebermann

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