Sujet : Re: Helmet efficacy test
De : news (at) *nospam* hartig-mantel.de (Rolf Mantel)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.techDate : 25. Mar 2025, 17:35:30
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Am 25.03.2025 um 17:25 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 17:02:06 +0100, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
Am 25.03.2025 um 16:53 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 11:11:14 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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On 3/25/2025 4:19 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 21:20:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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Bicycling has never been a major source of serious traumatic brain
injury (TBI). On a nationwide basis, bicycling's contribution to TBI
counts is low enough to be off most "causes" charts. Bicycling causes
fewer then 1% of U.S. TBI deaths, far fewer than pedestrian travel, and
far fewer on a "per mile" basis. And historic data over the years shows
quite clearly that bicycle helmets are not preventing either fatalities
or concussions.
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Impossible to document that.
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Wrong, as usual.
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7025438/
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-35728-x
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https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-Releases/2021/New-CDC-Report-Finds-More-Adults-Are-Dying-from-Bicycle-Related-Accidents-CPSC-Says-it-Highlights-the-Importance-of-Helmets
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https://www.nsc.org/safety-first/bicycle-safety-statistics-may-surprise-you?srsltid=AfmBOoq4LC_IGLItTnDBXBm4Yu6K20nqSHjsZbqpkk-jQ2y4Y1J7hfbf
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https://biausa.org/public-affairs/media/keep-your-brain-safe-while-biking
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https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/150/3/e2022058878/188764/Helmet-Use-in-Preventing-Head-Injuries-in?autologincheck=redirected
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These all contradict Frank, but that isn't the point of this message.
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The point of this message is to point out, once again, your
unsubstantiated conclusions rooted in willful ignorance.
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How one would go about proving that bicycle helmets are not preventing
either fatalities or concussions?
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Statistical accident analysis, just like it was possible to show the use
of seat belts.
You could prove that helmets don't always prevent head injuries, but
not that they don't sometimes do it. Proving a negative is difficult
task.
Correct. At worst I can say "will not help on average" but I won't be able to say "will never help and never hurt" or "will sometimes help and sometimes hurt really bad".
But what should the consequences be for me: if it sometimes helps and sometimes hurts, how should I ensure it helps me instead of hurting me?
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