Re: Helmet efficacy test

floriduh dumbass <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 25 Mar 2025 17:33:47 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
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Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 25 Mar 2025 08:02:38 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
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Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On 3/24/2025 6:02 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:

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I like to wear helmet for extra protection against a fall. I do agree
that for me even running with a helmet would be good since I have no
balance to run anymore. However, Frank is I think in the minority about
helmets...

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Nope, that's not true. In the current echo chamber of avid sport
cyclists I am a minority. But very I'm comfortable with not following
most of the group's trends. I don't use clipless pedals, I don't use
brifters or disk brakes, I don't ride in jerseys that advertise my
favorite products or my favorite racing team, I don't use aerodynamic
sunglasses, etc.
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But in the total population of world cyclists, it's the helmet wearers
who are a definite minority.
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... and while he may have data to support it sometimes we humans
overlook data. I rely sometimes only on intuition and what I think might
be good.

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That's a common human trait. It leads to lots of bad decisions, but it's
common. It's usually wiser to pay attention to good data, when it's
available.
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I really don't understand the length's Frank goes to dis
helmets but maybe I am simply taking it more than it is.

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If you check, you'll see I never initiate helmet debates. But when
someone else - um, like you, Mark! - starts stating or implying that
helmets have great benefit, and/or states or implies that bicycling is a
serious risk for brain injury, I do point out that those notions are false.
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Bicycling has never been a major source of serious traumatic brain
injury (TBI). On a nationwide basis, bicycling's contribution to TBI
counts is low enough to be off most "causes" charts. Bicycling causes
fewer then 1% of U.S. TBI deaths, far fewer than pedestrian travel, and
far fewer on a "per mile" basis. And historic data over the years shows
quite clearly that bicycle helmets are not preventing either fatalities
or concussions.
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Data on request - but it's been posted or linked countless times.
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Helmets for cycle safety are distraction to use one of UK bike
personalities/transport experts aka Chris Boardman.
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With cycling the danger and risk is almost entirely introduced by
motorists, which should be the focus.
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Helmet ?debates? as ever seem to go nowhere as folks have such intrenched
positions.
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Roger Merriman

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I can't understand why anyone argues about wearing helmets other than
about making it mandatory. Whether on not a person wears a helmet has
no effect on anyone else. As for laws about adults wearing them, they
are gradually falling by the wayside.
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C'est bon
Soloman
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Get it required by organisations and organised events which is admittedly a
low percentage of cyclists ie folks who are club members and/or Sportives
etc which often requires helmets commonly due to insurance.
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Roger Merriman

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I wouldn't ride anyplace where bicycle helmets were required. I tried
one on my head once, I could feel my IQ going down.