Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Helmet efficacy test

On 3/25/2025 3:44 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Tue Mar 25 06:55:39 2025 zen cycle  wrote:

On 3/24/2025 10:04 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Mon Mar 24 17:54:27 2025 Zen Cycle  wrote:

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Keith Bontrager had absolutely nothing to do with the development of the
Wavecel Helmet and has nothing to do with the manufacturing of the helmets.
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Wavecel was founded by Michael Bottlang, PhD and Dr. Steve Madey.
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https://wavecel.com/about-us/
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They published a white paper in 2018 describing their research and
suggestions for new helmet design.
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https://wavecel.com/wp-content/uploads/accidentanalysispublication.pdf
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- The abstract states "rotational acceleration and the associated brain
injury risk can be significantly reduced by the cellular WAVECEL concept
or a MIPS slip liner."
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- The Disclosure states "Some of the authors (MB, SMM) are co-inventors
of CELL technology described in this manuscript, have filed patents, and
have a financial interest in the company that owns this technology.
These authors (MB, SMM) are founders and co-directors of the Legacy
Biomechanics Laboratory. Several of the authors (EB, AR, ST, SMM,
MB) are affiliated with the Legacy Health System, which was a partial
funder of this research."
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No Bontrager.
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Bontragers name is associated with it for the simple reason that Trek
bought the technology and sells bike accessories under the Bontrager
trademark. The differences between Trek and Bontrager Wavecel models are
mostly aesthetic. Some models run cooler and or lighter than others, but
this isn't exclusive to trek or bontrager. In fact, there are Circuit
and Stavros models for both Trek and Bontrager which are identical
except for color choices.
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https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/equipment/bike-accessories/bike-helmets/wavecel-helmets/c/E399/
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yeah yeah....we know, Kieth told you personally that he designed the
helmet after he talked to you about your injury, right?

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Thanks for that piece of information. I might ask why you didn't inform us before when I told everyone about the Wavecel?

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Why would I, dumbass? I have no opinion of the Wavecel, it's your claim
that they were invented by Kieth Bontrager I'm addressing.
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Was it because you were too busy telling everyone that it was a useless piece of shit?

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I never made any claim even remotely suggesting that.
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I haven't seen Keith since before I was injured so he wasn't marketing them under his name at that time.

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He still isn't. He never marketed Wavecel helmets. Trek owns the
Bontrager name for marketing purposes. Trek markets them under the Trek
name and the Bontrager name.
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Now that you found information proving me wrong suddenly they are the cat's pajamas?  Or are you still of the opinion that they are a piece of shit because I am recommending them?

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False First Premise: That I ever claimed they were bad. Lab tests show
them to be better, that's all I really know about them, besides the fact
that Kieth Bontrager has nothing to do with them.
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But since Trek stopped marketing them they are not being marketed. Or maybe you have some more informtion on the Spector that I cannot find?

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Of course you can't find it, you're an idiot.
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If you weren't, you'd know all you would need to do is type "trek
wavecel 2025" into your web browser - but no, that's above and beyond
your abilities.
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  From my link above:
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/equipment/bike-accessories/bike-helmets/wavecel-helmets/c/E399/
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Here's one of the seven Trek Wavecel offerings on that page:
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/equipment/bike-accessories/bike-helmets/mountain-bike-helmets/mens-mountain-bike-helmets/trek-rally-wavecel-mountain-bike-helmet/p/45105/?colorCode=purple_black
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The current webpage from Trek showing the helmets for sale isn't enough
for you to understand that Trek still markets wavecel helmets?

    You appear to be getting early dementia since suddenly you have no opinion of a helmet that you hated when I talked about it in 2020. You couldn't say enough negative about it because I was recommending it. Now that there is photographic evidence that it does work, you're crying that you neve said anything against them previously. Whine on.

No tommy, I've never made any comments in this forum about Wavecel helmets in favor or against, I've made no comments about wavecel helmets at all. If you think I have post a link to it.
Let me help you out. Go to https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech
In the searchbar, type "wavecel"
Then come back and tell me how many comments I've made on wavecel helmets.
It seems to me the one whining here is the one making up ore stories to deflect from being proven wrong, yet again, in this thread with
- the claim that Kieth Bontrager invented it,
- then that Trek isn't marketing it,
- then that I ever made any comments about them.
Three more fails in a row, dumbass.....