Re: Helmet efficacy test

On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 20:12:33 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 3/25/2025 7:58 PM, John B. wrote:

On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 08:49:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
 

On 3/25/2025 6:19 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:

Am 25.03.2025 um 11:11 schrieb John B.:

On 25 Mar 2025 08:02:38 GMT, Roger Merriman
<roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
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Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On 3/24/2025 6:02 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:

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I like to wear helmet for extra protection against a
fall. I do agree
that for me even running with a helmet would be good
since I have no
balance to run anymore. However, Frank is I think in
the minority about
helmets...

>
Nope, that's not true. In the current echo chamber of
avid sport
cyclists I am a minority. But very I'm comfortable with
not following
most of the group's trends. I don't use clipless pedals,
I don't use
brifters or disk brakes, I don't ride in jerseys that
advertise my
favorite products or my favorite racing team, I don't
use aerodynamic
sunglasses, etc.
>
But in the total population of world cyclists, it's the
helmet wearers
who are a definite minority.
>

... and while he may have data to support it sometimes
we humans
overlook data. I rely sometimes only on intuition and
what I think might
be good.

>
That's a common human trait. It leads to lots of bad
decisions, but it's
common. It's usually wiser to pay attention to good
data, when it's
available.
>

I really don't understand the length's Frank goes to dis
helmets but maybe I am simply taking it more than it is.

>
If you check, you'll see I never initiate helmet
debates. But when
someone else - um, like you, Mark! - starts stating or
implying that
helmets have great benefit, and/or states or implies
that bicycling is a
serious risk for brain injury, I do point out that those
notions are false.
>
Bicycling has never been a major source of serious
traumatic brain
injury (TBI). On a nationwide basis, bicycling's
contribution to TBI
counts is low enough to be off most "causes" charts.
Bicycling causes
fewer then 1% of U.S. TBI deaths, far fewer than
pedestrian travel, and
far fewer on a "per mile" basis. And historic data over
the years shows
quite clearly that bicycle helmets are not preventing
either fatalities
or concussions.
>
Data on request - but it's been posted or linked
countless times.
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>

Helmets for cycle safety are distraction to use one of UK
bike
personalities/transport experts aka Chris Boardman.
>
With cycling the danger and risk is almost entirely
introduced by
motorists, which should be the focus.
>
Helmet “debates” as ever seem to go nowhere as folks have
such intrenched
positions.
>
Roger Merriman

>
I've told this story before but once again.
>
When I was working around oil well drilling rigs the word
came down
from the Drilling Company -  "When you come back from
break be sure
you are wearing a "Hard Hat"(i.e. helmet) or don't bother
to come
back". And you know? Everybody came back with a hard hat
and there was
never a mention,  good, bad or indifferent, whether people
wanted to
were a helmet, or not, or any of the other  arguments I
hear in
bicycle circles.

>
How many people get paid to go bicycling? Most people cycle
voluntarily, or stop cycling voluntarily.
>
What is the cost to society if people "don't bother to come
back" (as hapened in Australia)?
>
Why did the "don't bother to come back unless you wear a
seat belt" not work in the USA?
>

>
In a perfect world, I would probably wear a seat belt when
driving. But since the State made it mandatory, which
naturally engenders defiance,  I just restrict myself to
exempt autos and drive without.

 
 
(:-) do we assume that you also ignore state laws against, oh say,
theft and taxes?
 

>
I'm morally aligned with the statues on theft and resigned
to taxes.
>
But the seatbelt laws are well outside the proper realm of
the government.
>
As mentioned here recently, we either have a government of
limited enumerated powers or we do not.

Well... as I posted previously, your state receives a rather
astonishingly large amount of money from the Federal Government and if
you take their money you have to play to their tune :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.