Re: Helmet efficacy test

Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:

Am 28.03.2025 um 22:22 schrieb Roger Merriman:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 28 Mar 2025 18:46:20 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
 

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 27 Mar 2025 22:48:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
 

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 14:45:14 +0100, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
 

Am 27.03.2025 um 14:36 schrieb Catrike Ryder:

On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 14:17:43 +0100, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
 

Am 27.03.2025 um 13:43 schrieb John B.:

On 27 Mar 2025 11:49:09 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
 

Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 3/26/2025 10:46 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 3/26/2025 3:32 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:

On 3/26/2025 12:06 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

 
On average, bicycling is safer than walking by all those metrics. You
obviously don't believe that,

 
I don't? My, how kunich-esque of you.

 
Perhaps you should explicitly state your positions. As it is, you now
seem to be implying that you do think bicycling is safer than walking.
Yet you apparently think that bicyclists get great value from special
protective hats, but pedestrians don't need them. Those two points seem
inconsistent.
 
So am I misinterpreting your views? What exactly are your views?

 
My view is that helmets work. Wear them if you feel you need to extra
protection. Don't wear them if you don't feel that need.
 
 

I find them useful off road as bush protection if like myself one rides the
path less traveled aka overgrown! So I can essentially use my the helmet to
push through said bushes!
 
On road which for me largely is commuting, It provides eye protection with
the visor from rain/hail and so on.
 
It?s also quite handy as sort of man bag to put one?s keys/gloves etc at
cafe stop/shopping etc.
 
I have no expectations of protection from motor traffic nor does population
studies seem to suggest that, bike infrastructure seems to do that ie
Amsterdam and similar cyclists have much lower rates and so on.
 
But UK isn?t likely to make this a legislation the hurdles to do so are
large, so I don?t feel forced or otherwise to use one, after all see plenty
of non helmeted cyclists about be they folks on hire bikes or some utility
cyclists.
 
It?s such a non issue at least here.

 
I think my reason for wearing a helmet was best :-)
 
My wife mentioned one day, "I'd feel better if you wore a helmet", so
I went right out and  bought one. Which gave me a big edge in the next
husband-wife argument.... "Well! When you wanted me to wear a helmet I
did....." (:-])

 
My answer was "High visibility is even more important. What about I buy
a bright yellow Gore cycling top?", killing two birds with one stone ;-)

 
A hundred dollars for a shirt? I don't think so.

 
For a shirt that lasts 25 years that's value for money.

 
I have ordinary t-shirts older than that.
 
--
C'est bon
Soloman
 

 
If not used much yes, I have clothes from last century and so on, but they
where not a 2 pound/dollar cheap t shirt, which if one handles them often
feel lighter, and don?t last.
 
And that?s just general clothes let alone sports kit that will be washed
every time. Or used in abrasive useage be that wet gritty roads to full on
bog crossing with the MTB which is hard on kit.
 
Roger Merriman

 
The black Under Armor Heat Gear long sleeve shirt I wore biking today
cost about $30.00. I'll bet it'll last as long as any of those hundred
dollar shirts.
 
--
C'est bon
Soloman
 

 
Not sure where the 100 dollar shirt came from! The club kit etc might be
close to that, as it’s a short production run and so on, but my other
cycling tops closer to the 30 dollars, particularly if one buys at end of
seasons and so on, though as it lasts haven’t for a while, they can and do
occasionally get torn etc.

 
I saw shirts on their website for $200+ dollars. The cheapest one I
saw was short sleeve for $65.

 
Gore is very classic roadie clothing ie cycling jerseys and so on, which
I’m not wild on, and yes some of the jerseys are expensive though if one
does a search are offers or just lower prices elsewhere in the 30 pound
range, though I think of Gore more for jackets and so on.

 
I said "Gore top", actually got
<https://www.gorewear.com/de-de/phantom-windstopper-jacke-herren-100645?variant=1217>
 
Removable sleeves are a cool feature ;-)

Do you actually use that? Admittedly I don’t use arm or leg warmers, I’ll
unzip a jacket or similar. If like now it’s warm in the sun but the air is
still cool.

 
I bought its predecessor at a bike show in Alexandra Palace around 1995,
so 20 years usage was an understatement (so I didn't care that similar
stuff from China was available at half that price).
 

I tend to go for deals! I have club jacket for general cold weather, and a
padded one for sub zero weather, though being padded I’ll make sure it’s a
ride that I’m not going to need to brush thorns etc.

I seem to generally prefer run or cycle best with lower temperatures, i
rarely wear gloves for temperatures, as London doesn’t often get much below
zero.

Roger Merriman