Re: Future of online fora

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Sujet : Re: Future of online fora
De : Soloman (at) *nospam* old.bikers.org (Catrike Ryder)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.tech
Date : 04. Apr 2025, 09:20:06
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On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 20:29:52 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 20:14:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
On 4/3/2025 7:02 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/3/2025 1:09 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/3/2025 10:58 AM, cyclintom wrote:
>
Frank, you have spent a great deal of your life being
subjective. Or should I say, strongly opinionated?
>
>
WTF??
I consider 'strongly opinionated' to be a compliment.
 
As opposed to "All truth is subjective. All opinions are
valid. Nothing can be known. Ommmmmm....."   ;-)
 
 
>
You continually consistently and annoyingly misstate that.
>
Agreed.
>
To observe that personal opinions are, in fact, personal is
not to say that nothing is true.
>
But policy preferences from agreed undisputed facts are
areas for discussion and persuasion (or, in extremis,
coercion by those who could not prevail in argument).
>
This was duly noted by Friedrich Nietzsche in about 1886:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche>
He postulated that "There are no facts, only interpretations". 
>
Nietzsche is difficult to understand without context.  I'm not going
to try to explain what he meant.  This discussion might help:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Nietzsche/comments/bhywqw/what_does_nietzsche_mean_by_there_are_no_facts/>
>
Picking the nits and splitting the hairs:
>
To agree that the speed of light is constant
>
The speed of light is NOT constant because it slows down when it
masses through various substances.  It's only constant in a vacuum and
in the absence of a magnetic field.
"Scientists Slowed Down Light by 10,000 Times in an Experiment"
<https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-slowed-down-light-by-10000-times-in-an-experiment>
>
or that E=R/I
>
Ohms Law is E = I * R
or
voltage = resistance times current
>
or whatever has no bearing on policy preferences, which are
not truths, have no single answer and are inherently personal.
>
There was once a bill in the Indiana state legislature that attempted
to change Pi to something more geometrically convenient.  Fortunately,
it failed:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_pi_bill>
See first paragraph.  I seem to recall the tag line was something like
"Pi = 3.2 should be close enough for most purposes".
>
Oh, and there can never be a lack of such, as long as we
remain human.  Or as noted here recently, the dialectic is
eternal and cannot, by its nature, be permanently resolved.
>
There are an infinite number of wrong answers, but only a finite
number of correct answers.  By sheer weight of numbers, the wrong
answers are winning.

+1

<applause>

--
C'est bon
Soloman

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3 Apr 25 i+* Re: Future of online fora3Frank Krygowski
3 Apr 25 ii`* Re: Future of online fora2AMuzi
3 Apr 25 ii `- Re: Future of online fora1Catrike Ryder
3 Apr 25 i+* Re: Future of online fora40Frank Krygowski
3 Apr 25 ii+* Re: Future of online fora23Frank Krygowski
3 Apr 25 iii+- Re: Future of online fora1Roger Merriman
3 Apr 25 iii`* Re: Future of online fora21AMuzi
3 Apr 25 iii +* Re: Future of online fora19Frank Krygowski
3 Apr 25 iii i`* Re: Future of online fora18Catrike Ryder
4 Apr 25 iii i `* Re: Future of online fora17Frank Krygowski
4 Apr 25 iii i  `* Re: Future of online fora16Catrike Ryder
4 Apr 25 iii i   `* Re: Future of online fora15AMuzi
4 Apr 25 iii i    `* Re: Future of online fora14Catrike Ryder
4 Apr 25 iii i     `* Re: Future of online fora13Frank Krygowski
4 Apr 25 iii i      `* Re: Future of online fora12Catrike Ryder
5 Apr 25 iii i       `* Re: Future of online fora11Frank Krygowski
5 Apr 25 iii i        +- Re: Future of online fora1Catrike Ryder
5 Apr 25 iii i        `* Re: Future of online fora9zen cycle
5 Apr 25 iii i         `* Re: Future of online fora8Catrike Ryder
5 Apr 25 iii i          `* Re: Future of online fora7Roger Merriman
5 Apr 25 iii i           +- Re: Future of online fora1Catrike Ryder
5 Apr 25 iii i           +* Re: Future of online fora4sms
5 Apr 25 iii i           i`* Re: Future of online fora3Catrike Ryder
5 Apr 25 iii i           i `* Re: Future of online fora2Frank Krygowski
5 Apr 25 iii i           i  `- Re: Future of online fora1Catrike Ryder
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3 Apr 25 ii+- Re: Future of online fora1AMuzi
3 Apr 25 ii+* Re: Future of online fora14AMuzi
3 Apr 25 iii+- Re: Future of online fora1Catrike Ryder
4 Apr 25 iii`* Re: Future of online fora12Frank Krygowski
4 Apr 25 iii +* Re: Future of online fora8AMuzi
4 Apr 25 iii i+* Re: Future of online fora2Jeff Liebermann
4 Apr 25 iii ii`- Re: Future of online fora1Catrike Ryder
4 Apr 25 iii i+- Re: Future of online fora1Catrike Ryder
4 Apr 25 iii i+- Re: Future of online fora1sms
4 Apr 25 iii i`* Re: Future of online fora3Frank Krygowski
4 Apr 25 iii i +- Re: Future of online fora1AMuzi
4 Apr 25 iii i `- Re: Future of online fora1Catrike Ryder
4 Apr 25 iii `* Re: Future of online fora3Catrike Ryder
4 Apr 25 iii  `* Re: Future of online fora2Jeff Liebermann
4 Apr 25 iii   `- Re: Future of online fora1Catrike Ryder
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7 Apr 25 i  `* Re: Future of online fora39Radey Shouman
7 Apr 25 i   +* Re: Future of online fora37Catrike Ryder
7 Apr 25 i   i`* Re: Future of online fora36AMuzi
7 Apr 25 i   i `* Re: Future of online fora35Catrike Ryder
7 Apr 25 i   i  `* Re: Future of online fora34AMuzi
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7 Apr 25 i   i    `* Re: Future of online fora32AMuzi
7 Apr 25 i   i     `* Re: Future of online fora31Catrike Ryder
8 Apr 25 i   i      +* Re: Future of online fora29AMuzi
8 Apr 25 i   i      i+- Re: Future of online fora1Catrike Ryder
8 Apr 25 i   i      i`* Re: Future of online fora27zen cycle
8 Apr 25 i   i      i +* Re: Future of online fora20John B.
8 Apr 25 i   i      i i+* Re: Future of online fora18zen cycle
8 Apr 25 i   i      i ii`* Re: Future of online fora17John B.
8 Apr 25 i   i      i ii `* Re: Future of online fora16Zen Cycle
8 Apr 25 i   i      i ii  `* Re: Future of online fora15John B.
8 Apr 25 i   i      i ii   +* Re: Future of online fora13Zen Cycle
9 Apr 25 i   i      i ii   i`* Re: Future of online fora12John B.
9 Apr 25 i   i      i ii   i `* Re: Future of online fora11zen cycle
9 Apr 25 i   i      i ii   i  `* Re: Future of online fora10John B.
9 Apr 25 i   i      i ii   i   `* Re: Future of online fora9Zen Cycle
10 Apr 25 i   i      i ii   i    `* Re: Future of online fora8John B.
10 Apr 25 i   i      i ii   i     +* Re: Future of online fora2AMuzi
10 Apr 25 i   i      i ii   i     i`- Re: Future of online fora1John B.
10 Apr 25 i   i      i ii   i     `* Re: Future of online fora5zen cycle
10 Apr 25 i   i      i ii   i      +* Re: Future of online fora2Catrike Ryder
10 Apr 25 i   i      i ii   i      i`- Re: Future of online fora1John B.
10 Apr 25 i   i      i ii   i      `* Re: Future of online fora2John B.
10 Apr 25 i   i      i ii   i       `- Re: Future of online fora1Zen Cycle
8 Apr 25 i   i      i ii   `- Re: Future of online fora1Roger Merriman
8 Apr 25 i   i      i i`- Re: Future of online fora1Catrike Ryder
8 Apr 25 i   i      i `* Re: Future of online fora6Jeff Liebermann
8 Apr 25 i   i      i  +* Re: Future of online fora3Zen Cycle
8 Apr 25 i   i      i  i+- Re: Future of online fora1Catrike Ryder
8 Apr 25 i   i      i  i`- Re: Future of online fora1Jeff Liebermann
8 Apr 25 i   i      i  +- Re: Future of online fora1Catrike Ryder
8 Apr 25 i   i      i  `- Re: Future of online fora1John B.
8 Apr 25 i   i      `- Re: Future of online fora1Shadow
8 Apr 25 i   `- Re: Future of online fora1John B.
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3 Apr 25  `* Re: Future of online fora5AMuzi
3 Apr 25   `* Re: Future of online fora4Roger Merriman
3 Apr 25    +* Re: Future of online fora2AMuzi
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