Re: About argument

On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 11:31:53 -0500, Mark J cleary
<mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:

On 4/8/2025 7:26 PM, John B. wrote:

On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 11:02:36 -0500, Mark J cleary
<mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:
 

On 4/7/2025 10:03 PM, John B. wrote:

On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 20:16:10 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
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On 4/7/2025 7:59 PM, John B. wrote:

On 7 Apr 2025 17:44:55 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
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John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:

On 6 Apr 2025 14:36:08 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
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John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:

On 6 Apr 2025 13:11:26 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
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John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:

On 6 Apr 2025 12:34:18 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
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Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:

On 4/5/2025 4:59 PM, Shadow wrote:

On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 13:14:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
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At least here on RBT we do beat a subject to death with
keyboards, leaving no aspect of any discussion unturned.
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Elsewhere, those who fail to form compelling argument just
give up and throw punches:

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To be fair, you can't argue with crazy.

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https://nypost.com/2025/04/05/us-news/pro-life-activist-recalls-moment-she-was-punched-during-harlem-interview/

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I'm interested in knowing if it worked. Did the pro-lifer
suddenly start caring about people AFTER they were born?
Imagine less un-loved and abandoned children. Surely a plus?

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with photos

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More interested in psych evaluations than photos...
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Interesting way to put it as if the pro-life person did not somehow care
for people already. The act of life and the making of life is sacred.
All human life is sacred in that it is made in the image and likeness of
God. I am all pro-life there is nothing else as important since without
life there is nothing.
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Without wishing to speak for Shadow, it?s the single issue aspect of it, ie
do they want to help or support family with kids or medical issues and so
on?
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Let alone the fact that it?s wishing to intervene (largely men would seem)
what is women?s rights, and not one taken lightly it?s a horrible thing to
go through I?m told.
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Roger Merriman

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What's horrifying?
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Abortion?s are deeply unpleasant for anyone to go through, and takes some
time to recover from. Not something people will choose lightly.
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Roger Merriman

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It depends on the length of the pregnancy. Here, "Business Girls" will
be seeing the doctor as soon as they miss a few days and while I never
asked them the details they never seem to miss more then a couple days
at work.

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Even so it will be rather brutal and frankly if they are regularly getting
pregnant they will also be getting various sexually transmitted infections
such as Aids.
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Could someone in a desperate situation push through? Probably yes but they
will still be bleeding and generally recovering for a few days/weeks.
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Ie not something they would choose to do.
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Roger Merriman

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I don't know where you get your information but it  is, to some extent
wrong. Abortion in the early days of a  pregnancy results in no more
bleeding and pain the a normal "period". Or at least that is what Thai
and Japanese women have told me.

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That’s not what the either the NHS information says, or what women who have
had an Abortion say, ie it’s not just a minor thing.

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Do you think I'm making this stuff up? I'm not, I'm simple repeating
what I've been told by the girls that have had it done and as I've
said they tell me that its "no big deal" in the early months. But do
note the "early months" as I have also said "they also told me that in
the later months it was a much different story"
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But having said that they also told me that in the later months it was
a much different story.
   
Currently, here in Thailand, a woman pregnant up to the 20th week can
get an abortion at the hospital of her choice simply by asking. Above
20,weeks it becomes much more complicates.

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Not sure at what point or rather can’t remember but I’d imagine the last
date would be fairly similar, bar medical exemption.

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Perhaps because in the late 20's the fetus may be able to survive
outside the mother and thus can be thought of a "person" which might
raise all sorts of moral problems in a Buddhist society. However that
is just a supposition on my part..
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I sincerely do not know how Buddhists define inception of
human life and I'm curious now, if you know.
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For Christians, it's at conception but for Jews it's 'first
breath'.  That's a huge difference as regards attitudes
toward abortion.
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I am making no argument, just asking about Buddhist thought.
In Thailand anyway.

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I don't know in detail but, for instance, if you buy live fish, to
eat, in the market you might ask the seller to kill them for you. Thus
while the fish was killed at your command you would not be seen as
causing the death.
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But my nephew was a Monk for 5 years I'll ask him when I see him.
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But religions are Strange, if that is the correct term. The perpetual
virginity of Mary is a Christian doctrine that Mary, the mother of
Jesus, was a virgin "before, during and after" the birth of Christ.
Declared in AD 533 :-)

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She was in is and that is a statement of faith. You can believe it or
not. It might seem odd and strange and go against all the rules you
normally know and understand, however God is beyond rules.
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Here is another rule. You cannot go to the Christian God first. He must
start the process since he is god all powerful. God must make the first
move yet you have human freedom. My suggestion is to Study Aquinas he
was the master a long time ago.

 
So for 500 years Mary was not a virgin an suddenly became one?

Your understanding of Catholicism and theology is quite telling. It
explains some of the things that I see in your post. God is God he
cannot be put in a box. He does no need humans or anything to do with
them to be better off. The Blessed Mother is beyond really the norm that
some modern people can handle. Her wisdom would make Einstein seem
brainless in comparison, yet she could not do or understand the theory
of relativity I am pretty sure. The mystery of life can only be answered
by God.

Lets not start a war here but my point was, and is, that for 500 years
Mary's condition was ignored and then suddenly she was declared a
virgin. And even more recently, in my youth  probably the most common
"sin" to be confessed at Saturday Confession was eating meat on
Friday.  10 "Our Father's" and 20,"Hail Mary's" or no Communion on
Sunday and your mother asking why. Now, I read, it's not a sin  except
during Lent.

 
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Cheers,

John B.