Re: For those who believe in electricity

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Sujet : Re: For those who believe in electricity
De : jeffl (at) *nospam* cruzio.com (Jeff Liebermann)
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Date : 11. Apr 2025, 03:23:34
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On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 07:39:30 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
A customer produces an industrial machine based on his
father's design patent for which my customer (an academic
electrical engineer PhD) makes up the controller boards. He
scuffs the top of some chips and coats them with epoxy.
>
I can see where a manufacturer would request electronic bits
with no number if it would otherwise reveal information to
competitors but I don't think that's likely for  a bicycle
lamp.  Not unreasonable for a $50K machine.

I've had to repair products that have had the marking removed from the
IC's by the manufacturer.  The laser engraved markings are very
shallow and difficult to read at some viewing angles.  Filling the
holes with paint solves that problem:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/electronics/comments/190764u/make_laser_etched_markings_easily_visible_with/>
However, the shallow laser "pits" can easily be mutilated with a hand
grinder (Dremel tool).  If you have trouble viewing or photographing
IC markings, try different viewing angles.

Long ago, when I was helping design marine radios, we were removing
the markings from certain IC's that we considered proprietary
information.  One day, we experienced a very high failure rate of
these IC's.  It was soon determined that the grinder tool bearing (or
bushing) had become worn causing the abrasive bit to wobble.  That
produced excessive vibration which broke the wire bonds inside the IC.
Fixed with a new hand grinder and a better lubrication schedule.
Incidentally, we eventually discontinued the grinding process after it
was declared a waste of effort because the IC could be identified with
an x-ray photograph of the die.



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7 Apr 25 +- Re: For those who believe in electricity1bp
7 Apr 25 +* Re: For those who believe in electricity36Zen Cycle
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9 Apr 25 i   `* Re: For those who believe in electricity10Frank Krygowski
9 Apr 25 i    `* Re: For those who believe in electricity9AMuzi
10 Apr 25 i     `* Re: For those who believe in electricity8sms
11 Apr 25 i      `* Re: For those who believe in electricity7Roger Merriman
11 Apr 25 i       `* Re: For those who believe in electricity6Frank Krygowski
11 Apr 25 i        `* Re: For those who believe in electricity5Roger Merriman
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8 Apr 25 i    i`* Re: For those who believe in electricity19Frank Krygowski
8 Apr 25 i    i `* Re: For those who believe in electricity18Frank Krygowski
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11 Apr 25 i    i  i `* Re: For those who believe in electricity9Roger Merriman
11 Apr 25 i    i  i  +- Re: For those who believe in electricity1Catrike Ryder
11 Apr 25 i    i  i  +- Re: For those who believe in electricity1Frank Krygowski
11 Apr 25 i    i  i  `* Re: For those who believe in electricity6AMuzi
11 Apr 25 i    i  i   +- Re: For those who believe in electricity1Frank Krygowski
11 Apr 25 i    i  i   `* Re: For those who believe in electricity4Roger Merriman
11 Apr 25 i    i  i    `* Re: For those who believe in electricity3Frank Krygowski
11 Apr 25 i    i  i     +- Re: For those who believe in electricity1Zen Cycle
11 Apr 25 i    i  i     `- Re: For those who believe in electricity1Roger Merriman
9 Apr 25 i    i  `* Re: For those who believe in electricity6zen cycle
9 Apr 25 i    i   +* Re: For those who believe in electricity2AMuzi
11 Apr 25 i    i   i`- Re: For those who believe in electricity1Jeff Liebermann
9 Apr 25 i    i   `* Re: For those who believe in electricity3Frank Krygowski
9 Apr 25 i    i    `* Re: For those who believe in electricity2Zen Cycle
9 Apr 25 i    i     `- Re: For those who believe in electricity1Frank Krygowski
8 Apr 25 i    `* Re: For those who believe in electricity2Jeff Liebermann
9 Apr 25 i     `- Re: For those who believe in electricity1zen cycle
7 Apr 25 +- Re: For those who believe in electricity1AMuzi
8 Apr 25 +- Re: For those who believe in electricity1Frank Krygowski
8 Apr 25 +- Re: For those who believe in electricity1Frank Krygowski
10 Apr 25 `* Re: For those who believe in electricity11Jeff Liebermann
10 Apr 25  `* Re: For those who believe in electricity10Frank Krygowski
11 Apr 25   `* Re: For those who believe in electricity9Frank Krygowski
16 Apr 25    `* Re: For those who believe in electricity8Frank Krygowski
16 Apr 25     `* Re: For those who believe in electricity7Roger Merriman
16 Apr 25      `* Re: For those who believe in electricity6Frank Krygowski
16 Apr 25       `* Re: For those who believe in electricity5Roger Merriman
16 Apr 25        `* Re: For those who believe in electricity4Catrike Ryder
16 Apr 25         `* Re: For those who believe in electricity3Roger Merriman
16 Apr 25          `* Re: For those who believe in electricity2Catrike Ryder
16 Apr 25           `- Re: For those who believe in electricity1Roger Merriman

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