Re: Tariffs and bikes

On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 09:02:45 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 4/12/2025 8:20 AM, zen cycle wrote:

On 4/11/2025 6:56 PM, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/11/2025 2:49 PM, Shadow wrote:

On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 15:43:43 GMT, cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
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Vegetable farmers in California have been driven into
bankruptcy by the Democrat administration quite a few
who had been growing vegetablkes for generations
committed suicide when Gavin Loathsome cut off their water.

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    LOL
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    Can I quote you on that? PS I'll need sources so I
don't look
like a fool.
    Sources pls.
    []'s

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As with many comments from Mr Kunich there is actually a
truth in there. Someplace.
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Over 50 years ago, long before the present Governor,
nuisance lawsuits stopped construction of TVA Tellico Dam,
which was the beginning of the end for sane water management.
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https://www.tva.com/about-tva/our-history/built-for-the-
people/telling- the-story-of-tellico-it-s-complicated
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and although that project was in fact completed
eventually, the larger issues (humans vs baitfish) festered:
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https://www.ocregister.com/2014/03/22/tom-campbell-how-to-
get-water- flowing-again-in-california/
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with one smaller-than-bait-fish after another invoking
precedent (snail darter, delta smelt, whatever), water
management became focused away from human nourishment.
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Starting 20? 25? odd years ago, the powers that be (EPA,
CalEPA, etc) decided that fresh water running into San
Francisco Bay was absolutely critical to the survival of
the delta smelt and blocking water projects or removing
dams was not sufficient for the small fish. Having made
that a priority, water rights tied to deeds in the Central
Valley, which was highly productive land for dense
vegetable farming, were abrogated. Farms which had used
sluice gates to irrigate for nearly a hundred years were
cut off. That's been a rolling crisis for years and is
recently exacerbated by new limits on pumping groundwater.
Farmers cannot pump water on their own land!
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Ag production has been devastated, unemployment and land
values have gone in different directions and, despite
ample rainfall in 2023 and again in 2024:
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https://engaging-data.com/california-precipitation-levels/
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the water goes right past Mr Kunich's house into the Bay.

 
Well, that's one distorted opinion. Here's another:
 
https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/2023/02/01/california-
water-crisis/
 
"Almond empires, alfalfa exporters, mega-dairies, and oil
and gas operators use millions of gallons of California’s
limited water during times of intense dryness to amass
tremendous profits, while local wells run dry. And as these
private interests guzzle down the water supply, more than 1
million people in California do not have access to safe
drinking water."
 

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Both can be true and both sorta are true.
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Wasting huge volumes of water straight into San Francisco
Bay is not a helpful policy, not for farmers nor anyone
else. Contract abrogation in denying deeded water rights to
ag landowners left groundwater pumping, which is we agree
another problem now.
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There haven't been any major California water
control/storage/redirection projects in 50 years, despite
oodles of 'project studies' and compelling need.  This is a
turnaround from the 100 prior years, when large scale water
management was crucial to development and not only to ag
production directly.
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As a side note, this is not only a California problem
although the nature of that area, with periodic droughts,
make it 'newsy'.  Our total national hydroelectric power
generation is lower than 60, 70 years ago. How does that
make any sense?

Wasn't a dam broken down somewhere? Something about letting the fishes
swim, or some such thing.

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Cheers,

John B.