Re: Tariffs and bikes

On 4/13/2025 5:55 AM, zen cycle wrote:

On 4/12/2025 10:02 AM, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/12/2025 8:20 AM, zen cycle wrote:

On 4/11/2025 6:56 PM, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/11/2025 2:49 PM, Shadow wrote:

On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 15:43:43 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
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Vegetable farmers in California have been driven into bankruptcy by the Democrat administration quite a few who had been growing vegetablkes for generations committed suicide when Gavin Loathsome cut off their water.

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    LOL
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    Can I quote you on that? PS I'll need sources so I don't look
like a fool.
    Sources pls.
    []'s

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As with many comments from Mr Kunich there is actually a truth in there. Someplace.
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Over 50 years ago, long before the present Governor, nuisance lawsuits stopped construction of TVA Tellico Dam, which was the beginning of the end for sane water management.
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https://www.tva.com/about-tva/our-history/built-for-the- people/ telling- the-story-of-tellico-it-s-complicated
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and although that project was in fact completed eventually, the larger issues (humans vs baitfish) festered:
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https://www.ocregister.com/2014/03/22/tom-campbell-how- to- get- water- flowing-again-in-california/
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with one smaller-than-bait-fish after another invoking precedent (snail darter, delta smelt, whatever), water management became focused away from human nourishment.
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Starting 20? 25? odd years ago, the powers that be (EPA, CalEPA, etc) decided that fresh water running into San Francisco Bay was absolutely critical to the survival of the delta smelt and blocking water projects or removing dams was not sufficient for the small fish. Having made that a priority, water rights tied to deeds in the Central Valley, which was highly productive land for dense vegetable farming, were abrogated. Farms which had used sluice gates to irrigate for nearly a hundred years were cut off. That's been a rolling crisis for years and is recently exacerbated by new limits on pumping groundwater. Farmers cannot pump water on their own land!
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Ag production has been devastated, unemployment and land values have gone in different directions and, despite ample rainfall in 2023 and again in 2024:
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https://engaging-data.com/california-precipitation-levels/
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the water goes right past Mr Kunich's house into the Bay.

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Well, that's one distorted opinion. Here's another:
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https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/2023/02/01/california- water-crisis/
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"Almond empires, alfalfa exporters, mega-dairies, and oil and gas operators use millions of gallons of California’s limited water during times of intense dryness to amass tremendous profits, while local wells run dry. And as these private interests guzzle down the water supply, more than 1 million people in California do not have access to safe drinking water."
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Both can be true and both sorta are true.
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Wasting huge volumes of water straight into San Francisco Bay is not a helpful policy, not for farmers nor anyone else. Contract abrogation in denying deeded water rights to ag landowners left groundwater pumping, which is we agree another problem now.
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There haven't been any major California water control/ storage/ redirection projects in 50 years, despite oodles of 'project studies' and compelling need.  This is a turnaround from the 100 prior years, when large scale water management was crucial to development and not only to ag production directly.
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As a side note, this is not only a California problem although the nature of that area, with periodic droughts, make it 'newsy'.  Our total national hydroelectric power generation is lower than 60, 70 years ago. How does that make any sense?

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It makes perfect sense to the fossil fuel companies.

 Probably at the margin.
 But it's unclear at best that the evil fuel producers have much sway in California state policy.