Re: Helmet efficacy test

On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 22:01:15 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On 4/17/2025 9:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/17/2025 7:45 PM, zen cycle wrote:

On 4/17/2025 6:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/17/2025 7:44 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 07:39:11 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
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On 4/17/2025 3:20 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 09:03:46 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
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On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 11:05:14 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
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On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 20:39:54 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
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On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 07:42:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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On 4/15/2025 9:02 PM, John B. wrote:

On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 14:46:46 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 12:20:51 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
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On 4/15/2025 12:15 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 4/15/2025 8:56 AM, AMuzi wrote:

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But here, the rise in anti-vax was driven by upper class
suburban mothers and Hollywood celebrities who skew soft
left.  (as with any social phenomenon there are of course
many flavors of opinion and politics)  It was unusual
before that quack Wakefield (1998?) but snowballed after
that.

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The anti-vax movement was driven by ignorant anti-
scientists. Yes, it's bounced around the political spectrum,
but the often deliberate ignorance has been and remains
constant.
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Yes, I agree with that.  Wasn't helped by deliberate lies
and not only by Wakefield.

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I submitted to two doses of the Covid "vaccine," and then I
realised
that the jackass who was directing it (Fauci) and all the
other scams
(masks and six foot spaces) was partially responsible for
creating
Covid.

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Strange isn't it. The vigorous enforcement, of exactly the
same rules,
that you describe, were blamed for Thailand's rather
amazingly low
Covid rates and deaths..
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U.S.  Total cases per 1 million population - 337,912
             Total Deaths per 1 M population - 3685
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Thailand Total cases per 1 million population - 68,069
                     Total deaths per 1 M population - 494

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I don't know but the general rates of obesity, diabetes,
heart disease are dramatically different between our
countries and all those associate with deleterious outcomes
with viral infections. Maybe significant, maybe not.

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Given the overwhelming enthusiasm -  there is no other word for
it -
in doing everything possible to "fight" the disease I'm
inclined to
believe it was that effort. Even today masks are commonly seen and
during the epidemic if you weren't wearing a mask people would
shake
their finger at you and say "mask, mask". Shops and stores 
checked
your temperature before you were admitted. Any public seating was
marked off in 6 foot lines. And all of this wasn't under the
gaze of
some "big boss" it was the common ordinary man on the street
enforcing
the rules.

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Here in Florida the "enthusiasm" lasted for a couple of weeks, and
then most people ignored all the rules and went on with their
lives.
There were always a few loonies who mentioned that I wasn't
wearing a
mask, but they were easy to ignore and I could move them away by
pretending to cough.  I still see an occasional mask out on the
bike
trails miles away from civilization or someone wearing a mask when
they're all alone in their car.
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The whole thing was smoke and mirrors and people getting a
thrill out
of giving orders to other people.

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Florida - cases/M pop - 374,722
                  deaths/M pop - 4,433
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Thailand - cases/M pop - 68,069
                    deaths/M pop - 499

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Like I said, there are many factors involved. I don't believe the
masks and other forced restrictions were much of a factor anywhere.
Smoke and mirrors.
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Florida had a problem because it's a big travel destination. People
come here on a vacation from all over the world. They bring their
diseases and Florida people interact with them. We also have a bunch
of "snowbirds" who roll in here from northern states and Canada every
fall.
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As for people getting a thrill out of ordering others around....
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The jackass governor of Minnesota (who was the recent jackass Vice
Pres candidate) set up a tattle site where people could call in if
they thought their neighbors had more than the allowed number of
people in their home. He also had "agents of some sort" traveling
through neighborhoods with paint guns threatening to shoot at people
who had not obeyed his curfew orders.
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Had that happened in some places in Florida, somebody would have shot
back with a real gun.
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--
C'est bon
Soloman

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Oh, and 'The Science' which led Governors to leave liquor
stores and casinos open (tax revenue) while ordering schools
and churches closed.

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... Gyms and health clubs closed, too.
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--
C'est bon
Soloman

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On that subject, today brings some helpful and hopeful news:
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https://apnews.com/article/rubio-disinformation-russia- china-iran-
d53d00551a0a57f3114431c624db0b0f
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Government censorship doesn't play well with me.
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right, because we need _more_ disinformation. We don't have enough
already.

 
 
I am with Justice Louis Brandeis, 1927:
 
"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and
fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy
to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."
 
 
Justice Kennedy, 2012:
 
“the remedy for speech that is false is speech that is true.”

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I understand your thinking, and it's a defensible position. But things
are far more complicated than they were in 1927, or even 2012. Since
then, we're dealing with the potential for (say) Russian "bots" to
inundate public space with blatant falsehoods and imaginary Americans
purportedly corroborating those falsehoods, and perhaps do so almost
immediately before an important election.
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Legitimate press would have insufficient time to counter the barrage,
and the more gullible portion of the American public is primed to
believe the most outrageous claims (Consider Pizzagate!) as long as they
align with their political leanings. We've seen that here.
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I think this has already happened and affected elections. And I think
it's going to get much worse. Because, gosh, Putin is such a good guy now!
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ISTM that speech by flesh and blood Americans living in this country
should not be censored. Electronic "speech" emanating from
who-knows-where might need to be treated differently.
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Oh, and "speech" in the form of millionaire or corporate campaign
contributions is an abomination.

Fearing what other people say has a remedy. It's called "put on your
big girl panties." You might also try stop listening and reading what
you're afraid to hear.

--
not throwing my pearls at swine
Apologies to Mick and the boys and Jesus,too