Re: Thoughts on industrial design

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Sujet : Re: Thoughts on industrial design
De : shouman (at) *nospam* comcast.net (Radey Shouman)
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Date : 29. Apr 2025, 01:47:15
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AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:

https://www.renehersecycles.com/driving-an-analog-car-in-a-digital-world/
>
Although I'm disposed toward Subaru among modern autos, his 1992 is in
no way 'analog'.
Electronic not adjustable voltage regulator, electronic ignition with
computer real time monitoring/adjustment rather than adjustable
mechanical-actuated points, electronic fuel injectors rather than
carburetors.
>
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.

I guess "digital" and "analog" now have poetical definitions.  It's hard
to imagine a mechanism more inherently digital than a manual
transmission.  It has a handful of states, literally enumerable on the
digits, at least for ordinary cars.  Each one corresponds to the ratio
of small whole numbers (I'm calling zero a whole number).

Of course to use a manual transmission normally a pedal clutch is
required, and that is not quite digital.

Contrast the digital transmission to an automatic of the classic era.
The torque converter is a reduction gearing device, but with an unfixed
ratio depending in an analog manner on speed and torque.  Meanwhile the
selection of gear is handled by what is essentially a hydraulic *analog*
computer.

Consider one of the more digital features of the sort of auto not made
any more -- the ignition switch.  It's either on, or off, or cranking.
Later models added an accessory setting, I guess when radios got thrifty
enough to play with the motor off.  There is very little doubt what each
setting means.  True, all of the Subarus with which I am familiar turn
the headlights off with the ignition, but that's easy to get used to,
and has saved me a few batteries.

Contrast this with modern vehicles, where "on" and "off" are merely
labels for two states of the user interface, defined by the arbitrary
taste of whichever committee designed it.  Turn your car off and it will
still feel free to download a software update or report you to your
insurance company -- not a very digital switch at all.  If you've got a
truly modern one it might decide to go find you, like a lonely dog.

On the other hand, if you want to experience the depths of true "off",
just let that atavistic 12V battery run down, and prepare to find an
experienced mechanic with a jump starter just to get the door open,
never mind rolling down the windows.

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Date Sujet#  Auteur
27 Apr 25 * Thoughts on industrial design101AMuzi
27 Apr 25 +* Re: Thoughts on industrial design6Roger Merriman
27 Apr 25 i`* Re: Thoughts on industrial design5AMuzi
27 Apr 25 i +- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1zen cycle
28 Apr 25 i `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design3Frank Krygowski
28 Apr 25 i  `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design2AMuzi
28 Apr 25 i   `- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Roger Merriman
27 Apr 25 +* Re: Thoughts on industrial design85Jeff Liebermann
28 Apr 25 i`* Re: Thoughts on industrial design84Frank Krygowski
28 Apr 25 i +* Re: Thoughts on industrial design46Roger Merriman
28 Apr 25 i i`* Re: Thoughts on industrial design45Catrike Ryder
28 Apr 25 i i +* Re: Thoughts on industrial design34Roger Merriman
28 Apr 25 i i i+* Re: Thoughts on industrial design30Catrike Ryder
28 Apr 25 i i ii`* Re: Thoughts on industrial design29Roger Merriman
29 Apr 25 i i ii +* Re: Thoughts on industrial design21Catrike Ryder
29 Apr 25 i i ii i`* Re: Thoughts on industrial design20Roger Merriman
29 Apr 25 i i ii i +* Re: Thoughts on industrial design17Catrike Ryder
29 Apr 25 i i ii i i+* Re: Thoughts on industrial design2Frank Krygowski
29 Apr 25 i i ii i ii`- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Catrike Ryder
29 Apr 25 i i ii i i`* Re: Thoughts on industrial design14Jeff Liebermann
29 Apr 25 i i ii i i +* Re: Thoughts on industrial design12AMuzi
29 Apr 25 i i ii i i i`* Re: Thoughts on industrial design11Jeff Liebermann
29 Apr 25 i i ii i i i +* Re: Thoughts on industrial design2AMuzi
29 Apr 25 i i ii i i i i`- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Shadow
30 Apr 25 i i ii i i i `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design8Radey Shouman
30 Apr 25 i i ii i i i  `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design7Jeff Liebermann
30 Apr 25 i i ii i i i   `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design6Radey Shouman
30 Apr 25 i i ii i i i    `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design5Roger Merriman
30 Apr 25 i i ii i i i     `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design4Radey Shouman
30 Apr 25 i i ii i i i      `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design3Roger Merriman
30 Apr 25 i i ii i i i       `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design2Radey Shouman
30 Apr 25 i i ii i i i        `- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Roger Merriman
29 Apr 25 i i ii i i `- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Frank Krygowski
30 Apr 25 i i ii i `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design2zen cycle
30 Apr 25 i i ii i  `- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Catrike Ryder
29 Apr 25 i i ii `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design7Frank Krygowski
29 Apr 25 i i ii  `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design6Catrike Ryder
29 Apr 25 i i ii   `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design5Frank Krygowski
29 Apr 25 i i ii    `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design4Catrike Ryder
29 Apr 25 i i ii     `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design3Frank Krygowski
29 Apr 25 i i ii      `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design2Catrike Ryder
30 Apr 25 i i ii       `- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Catrike Ryder
29 Apr 25 i i i`* Re: Thoughts on industrial design3Zen Cycle
29 Apr 25 i i i `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design2Catrike Ryder
29 Apr 25 i i i  `- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Radey Shouman
29 Apr 25 i i `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design10Jeff Liebermann
29 Apr 25 i i  +* Re: Thoughts on industrial design5AMuzi
29 Apr 25 i i  i+- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Catrike Ryder
29 Apr 25 i i  i`* Re: Thoughts on industrial design3Shadow
29 Apr 25 i i  i +- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1AMuzi
30 Apr 25 i i  i `- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1zen cycle
29 Apr 25 i i  +* Re: Thoughts on industrial design3Catrike Ryder
29 Apr 25 i i  i`* Re: Thoughts on industrial design2Frank Krygowski
29 Apr 25 i i  i `- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Catrike Ryder
30 Apr 25 i i  `- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1zen cycle
28 Apr 25 i +* Re: Thoughts on industrial design10Zen Cycle
28 Apr 25 i i+* Re: Thoughts on industrial design7Jeff Liebermann
28 Apr 25 i ii`* Re: Thoughts on industrial design6Zen Cycle
28 Apr 25 i ii `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design5Jeff Liebermann
29 Apr 25 i ii  +- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Frank Krygowski
29 Apr 25 i ii  `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design3Zen Cycle
29 Apr 25 i ii   `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design2Jeff Liebermann
30 Apr 25 i ii    `- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1zen cycle
29 Apr 25 i i`* Re: Thoughts on industrial design2Frank Krygowski
29 Apr 25 i i `- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Zen Cycle
28 Apr 25 i `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design27Wolfgang Strobl
29 Apr 25 i  `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design26Frank Krygowski
29 Apr 25 i   +* Re: Thoughts on industrial design9Roger Merriman
29 Apr 25 i   i+* Re: Thoughts on industrial design6AMuzi
29 Apr 25 i   ii+- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Roger Merriman
30 Apr 25 i   ii`* Re: Thoughts on industrial design4Joy Beeson
1 May 25 i   ii `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design3Frank Krygowski
4 May 25 i   ii  `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design2Joy Beeson
4 May 25 i   ii   `- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Frank Krygowski
29 Apr 25 i   i`* Re: Thoughts on industrial design2Frank Krygowski
29 Apr 25 i   i `- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Roger Merriman
29 Apr 25 i   +* Re: Thoughts on industrial design2AMuzi
30 Apr 25 i   i`- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Zen Cycle
29 Apr 25 i   `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design14Wolfgang Strobl
29 Apr 25 i    `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design13Frank Krygowski
30 Apr 25 i     `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design12Wolfgang Strobl
30 Apr 25 i      `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design11Frank Krygowski
30 Apr 25 i       +* Re: Thoughts on industrial design4Roger Merriman
30 Apr 25 i       i`* Re: Thoughts on industrial design3Catrike Ryder
30 Apr 25 i       i `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design2Roger Merriman
1 May 25 i       i  `- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Catrike Ryder
1 May 25 i       +- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1zen cycle
2 May 25 i       `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design5Wolfgang Strobl
2 May 25 i        +- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1AMuzi
2 May 25 i        `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design3Frank Krygowski
3 May 25 i         +- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Roger Merriman
5 May 25 i         `- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Wolfgang Strobl
29 Apr 25 +* Re: Thoughts on industrial design8Radey Shouman
29 Apr 25 i`* Re: Thoughts on industrial design7Frank Krygowski
29 Apr 25 i +* Re: Thoughts on industrial design4AMuzi
29 Apr 25 i i+- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Catrike Ryder
29 Apr 25 i i+- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Frank Krygowski
30 Apr 25 i i`- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1zen cycle
29 Apr 25 i `* Re: Thoughts on industrial design2Radey Shouman
29 Apr 25 i  `- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1Frank Krygowski
12 May 25 `- Re: Thoughts on industrial design1AMuzi

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