Re: Thoughts on industrial design

On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:48:54 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
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floriduh dumbass <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 28 Apr 2025 08:57:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
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Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
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He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.

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Yep.  I looked around for a stick shift model.  Except for my first
car, all have been stick shifts.  Driving an automatic makes me feel
like I'm the passenger instead of the driver.  With a stick shift, I'm
part of the machine.  If I live long enough to need a new car, it will
probably be another stick shift.

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I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed
me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from
his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!

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Arguably Teslas are very much the IT company idea of car, folks who want to
experience driving aren?t likely to be their customers, lane assist seems
to help on motorways and similar.
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I?m unconvinced that self driving will fully get there I?m told that Tesla
isn?t the best in this category.

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I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond
playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ...
no, accelerator, and it goes.
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Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue
for discussion.
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I?d say that be more fixed bikes which are more into ?feel the force Luke?
in that they do feel very different and connected, vs index or fixed
shifting.
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Roger Merriman
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Perhaps the clutch and stick shifts are better for noisy acceleration
with squealing tires, but I outgrew that long ago. On the other hand,
for driving in heavy stop and go traffic I favor the automatic
transmission. As for preference, it's not a factor my wife and I would
even contemplate when buying a vehicle since we both are comfortable
with either one.
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As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
not worth discussing.
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I disagree this being a bike tech group well worth discussion even if it is
just preference.

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C'est bon
Soloman
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 Just so we have this straight - this dumbass thinks automobile
shifting preferences are worth discussing but bicycle shifting
preferences are not...in a bicycle technical forum....
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Fucking dumbass.....

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Actually, I simply stated my opinions and preferences, Dummy. I wasn't
suggesting a discussion. You can discuss automobile shifting if you
want, but I'll opt out.