Re: Thoughts on industrial design

On 4/29/2025 11:32 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:51:18 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
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On 4/28/2025 5:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 14:51:25 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
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On 4/28/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 14:02:28 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
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On 4/27/2025 9:26 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
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He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.

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Yep.  I looked around for a stick shift model.  Except for my first
car, all have been stick shifts.  Driving an automatic makes me feel
like I'm the passenger instead of the driver.  With a stick shift, I'm
part of the machine.  If I live long enough to need a new car, it will
probably be another stick shift.

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I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed
me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from
his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
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I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond
playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ...
no, accelerator, and it goes.

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Can you call it "stepping on the gas" in an EV?

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"What phrase will replace "step on the gas!" once vehicles are all
electric?"
<https://www.quora.com/What-phrase-will-replace-step-on-the-gas-once-vehicles-are-all-electric>
"Step on the accelerator" seems to be the consensus, although "step on
the rotary encoder" would be more technically correct.

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Let's just stick with the basics.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPjFoK4HOsw

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Yep.  A stick(y) accelerator can be a problem.  Tesla recalled 3,878
Cybertrucks in 2024 for such sticky accelerator pedals.
<https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-sticking-pedal-unintended-acceleration-recall>

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Did you check link? Sticky accelerators don't seem to be the issue.

 "Tesla is recalling every Cybertruck it’s delivered over an
accelerator pedal that can become trapped in a depressed position,
creating an unintended acceleration risk that may lead to a
collision."

"Let's just stick with the basics.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPjFoK4HOsw"
contains no mention tesla, cyber trucks, sticky accelerators, and in fact displays the opposite of unintended acceleration.

 Close enough.  To the average EV driver, stomping on the accelerator
is interchangeable with stomping on the pedal.  Sticky pedal could
easily be interpreted as a sticky accelerator, much like sticking to
the basics.  My apologies for the fun, errr... pun.
 

As for "basics", the last time I checked, rec.bicycles.tech was a
"tech" newsgroup which is the opposite of a "basics" group.

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And we weren't discussing bicycle technology.

 True.  We were discussing EV's.  However, considering the frequency of
off topic discussions in rec.bicycles.tech, I wouldn't fault anyone
for succumbing to the temptations of topic drift.
 

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Model S
<https://service.tesla.com/docs/ModelS/ServiceManual/Palladium/en-us/GUID-45B8060C-F262-452F-9694-CFB7C87F33EC.html>
Model Y
<https://service.tesla.com/docs/ModelY/ServiceManual/en-us/GUID-8E18B453-7EBF-417C-B0C2-BC2CDAA2A1C1.html>
Marginally better photos:
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/144674953544>
It looks like a rotary encoder, but I'm not certain.
   

Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue
for discussion.

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