Re: Thoughts on industrial design

On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 19:19:04 -0400, zen cycle
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floriduh dumbass <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 28 Apr 2025 22:02:02 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
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Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 28 Apr 2025 16:47:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
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Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 28 Apr 2025 08:57:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
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Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
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He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.

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Yep.  I looked around for a stick shift model.  Except for my first
car, all have been stick shifts.  Driving an automatic makes me feel
like I'm the passenger instead of the driver.  With a stick shift, I'm
part of the machine.  If I live long enough to need a new car, it will
probably be another stick shift.

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I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed
me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from
his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!

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Arguably Teslas are very much the IT company idea of car, folks who want to
experience driving aren?t likely to be their customers, lane assist seems
to help on motorways and similar.
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I?m unconvinced that self driving will fully get there I?m told that Tesla
isn?t the best in this category.

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I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond
playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ...
no, accelerator, and it goes.
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Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue
for discussion.
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I?d say that be more fixed bikes which are more into ?feel the force Luke?
in that they do feel very different and connected, vs index or fixed
shifting.
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Roger Merriman
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Perhaps the clutch and stick shifts are better for noisy acceleration
with squealing tires, but I outgrew that long ago. On the other hand,
for driving in heavy stop and go traffic I favor the automatic
transmission. As for preference, it's not a factor my wife and I would
even contemplate when buying a vehicle since we both are comfortable
with either one.

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For my uses though my car is an automatic, which aren?t that common in the
uk, but does make for an easy comfortable car, which is kinda of its
purpose.
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I?d say a EV is likely to be the easiest in stop start traffic, as doesn?t
need to shift.
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I marginally would like a manual for more engine braking when in Wales as
they do steep, but the Volvos have much more impressive brakes than cars or
old so seems to be non issue.
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Related the gorge I grew up in, used to see lorries in the sand pit often
on fire as they had cooked the brakes, doesn?t seem to be a thing now.

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As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
not worth discussing.
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I disagree this being a bike tech group well worth discussion even if it is
just preference.

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Soloman
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Roger Merriman

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Very few, perhaps, no-one is going to change their minds about their
bicycling preferences in a forum of old, long-time bicyclists. Arguing
that "my way" is better than "your way" is irritating.
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C'est bon
Soloman
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I don?t think anyone is trying to change folks opinion or habits, but might
share experience and knowledge on different technologies, you?re definitely
over thinking this.
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Roger Merriman

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When I see someone say, "lets discuss something," it generally means
"I disagree with you and I want to argue with you about it."

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That's because you're a willfully ignorant asshole. For the rest of us
"let's discuss (x)" means an open exchange of ideas and opinions.

I call that a group think session. I don't do group think.

 Initially, I might listen to or read other's ideas and opinions, but
then I'll have to go off by myself to evaluate them. I'm not the least
bit interested in how or why you came to your conclusions, nor am I
intersted in trying to share with others how I arrived my conclusions.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201307/in-depth-look-how-introverts-think

At some
point in the "discussion," the person who initiated the discussion
will likely challenge the other guy to defend his preferences.

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That's because you're a willfully ignorant asshole. For the rest of us,
when someone asks "how did you come to that conclusion?" it's a
legitimate attempt to understand the other persons rationale.

If you need a group thinking session in order to come to your own
conclusions, I have even less reason to get involved in your
discussions. IOW, I have absolutely no desire to influence your
decisions.

I'm not interested in discussing (arguing) because I'm not susceptible
to be influenced nor have I interest in changing anyone else's mind.

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That's because you're a willfully ignorant asshole. For the rest of us,
it's an opportunity to possibly hear a different perspective or even
(god forbid in your case) learn something.
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You have no interest in discussing anything - iow, you have no more
purpose in this discussion forum than tits on a bull.

My pupose is mostly enjoyment, but occasionally I pick up bits and
pieces to look into deeper.

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C'est bon
Soloman