Re: Science of cycling still largely mysterious

On Wed, 21 May 2025 19:08:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
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On 5/21/2025 3:12 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2025 13:33:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
 

On 5/21/2025 5:10 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2025 00:09:16 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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On 5/20/2025 4:58 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Tue, 20 May 2025 16:43:34 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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On 5/20/2025 1:38 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:44:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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"Science of cycling still largely mysterious"
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This article from 2016 recently popped up again:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/science-of-cycling-still-mysterious-1.3699012

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As is the case with most issues, if I think I need to know something I
go about trying to learn it. I've little time for learning about stuff
I have no need to know.

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Yep. So much for curiosity, so much for education... Ignorance is bliss!

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No, ignorance would be when someone doesn't know something they need
to know.

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ignorance
noun
ig·?no·?rance ?ig-n(?-)r?n(t)s
Synonyms of ignorance
: the state or fact of being ignorant : lack of knowledge, education, or
awareness

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I see, so by that definition you're ignorant because you don't know
how to write C++ code, sail a boat, scuba dive, or skin and butcher a
deer.

Such a simplistic thinker! It should be obvious that a person can be
ignorant of some topics but not others. And even regarding one topic,
ignorance is not binary. One can know certain facts about a topic but be
ignorant of other facts.
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I've done some of the things you listed, and have been curious enough to
learn a bit about others by reading and/or discussing them with others.

 
I doubt you have any idea what C++ is, let alone know how to write it.

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I've programmed in at least five systems and/or languages. Like Zen,
I've done a little C based programming, and like him I know enough to be
dangerous; I'm certainly no expert. But C (or C++ or C#, depending on
the year) was one of the programming options for my students'
programming course requirement.

C++ is well beyond, and far more complicated than C.

I'll note that we don't know _you_ have ever really done anything with
C++, or Pascal, or Python, or Fortran, or Basic, or LabView, or Val II,
or PLC ladder logic (which is like programming in Martian).

You really don't much about me, and I'm fine with that.

Sailing a real boat, not a simple 12 foot cat rig requires a lot more
than raising the sails and handling the wheel or tiller.

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I've never handled a boat any bigger than 35 feet, and that one was a
fairly brief experience, on Lake Erie.

<LOL>  So you steered a boat, which is a long, long way from actually
sailing it.

I've sailed smaller boats many
times, sometimes alone, sometimes with help.

If you did, it was probably a simple cat rig.

I have several very good

friends who are avid sailors. No, I'm not an expert. But (wait for it!)
I don't need to be.  ;-)

More imaginary friends? Like I said, You have no idea what it means
trim the sails, let alone, how one goes about it. Sailing, real
sailing requires knowledge about anchoring, and making headway against
the wind.

I doubt you
have any idea what a cat rig is, let alone how you trim the sails.

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:-)  I thought you were advocating learning _only_ what one _needs_ to
know!

No, pay attention, dumbass.  The discussion and my position was
opposite of that. It was about not bothering to learn things you
didn't need to know.  You claimed that I was wrong about that, and now
you seem to gave changed your mind about it. No charge for the
enlightenment..

But "I've little time for learning about stuff I have no need to know"
shows a general lack of curiosity, which leads to a general lack of
knowledge - as evidenced in our discussions! It makes for a dull person.

 
<LOL> You're the dullest individual I've ever come across.

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Oh please! You're fascinated by me! You read every post I make and
respond to almost all of them! I give meaning to your dull life.    :-)

I find your "look at me posts" to be amusing. You're desperate for
recognition and respect here in RBT because you don't get it in your
real life.

Contrast with, say, Andrew Muzi, who had no need to learn as much
history as he obviously knows. John Slocomb who had no need to learn how
to build a bike frame... and all the countless people who pursue their
own interests, their own art, their own pastimes. Hell, I had no real
need to learn machining, welding, music, woodworking and more. But life
is much richer with more knowledge.

 
I had no need to learn welding, music, woodworking either, but I did.

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Logic alert: Does this man not realize he's now arguing against his own
position?

Krygowski, as usual snips out the stuff he can't deal with.

(How _does_ a person become a mature adult without having learned
anything about Stoicism? That's just astonishing.)

 
Actually I know it well, in fact I pretty much live it, but I never
heard the term Stoicism.

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Wow.

Where would someone with a real life come across the term stoicism?
Maybe in some group think session in a classroom. How would knowing
that term be of value to that someone?

Naw, I prefer the real life.

--
C'est bon
Soloman