Re: What the Constitution, Supreme Court say about 'due process' for Trump deportees:

On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 09:29:45 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 6/4/2025 4:52 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 11:23:34 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
 

Am 04.06.2025 um 10:31 schrieb Catrike Ryder:

On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 01:10:55 -0000 (UTC), Beej Jorgensen <beej@beej.us>
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In article <d3vu3k5sec04fbqhmm6sjdktd2t9t5v81r@4ax.com>,
Catrike Ryder  <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

I'm neither in the USA illegally, nor have I committed any crimes, so
you needn't worry.

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I'm not worried that you're in the US illegally or have committed any
crimes. I'm worried that the government will *say* you're in the country
illegally and then ship you off.
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There is no law that says the government cannot say you are in the
country illegally. The only thing protecting you is the fact that you
get a hearing.
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You clearly trust the government far more than I do to be willing to
waive this right.

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US citizens should indeed get a hearing.

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Do you mean "people who claim to be US citizens" should get a hearing to
verify whether they are indeed US citizens?

 
No
 
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That's a deeper more serious question than it may at first
appear.
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Check out the first paragraphs here for example:
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https://nypost.com/2025/06/04/us-news/famed-lawyer-alan-dershowitz-publishes-his-magnum-opus-but-fears-people-wont-read-it-for-this-reason/
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“There’s no free lunch, and every time we act to prevent
great harms, we take away a little liberty. There’s no doubt
about that. There’s always going to be a trade-off. And the
key is to make the trade-off based on principles. And it’s
OK, as I say in the book, to give up a little inessential
liberty to gain a lot of security but not to give up basic
liberties to gain a small amount of security. We do too much
of the latter and not enough of the former. And so what I’ve
tried to do is create a jurisprudence which weighs when it’s
proper and when it’s not proper to take preventive actions
and erring always on the side of liberty rather than
security but giving weight to security.”
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This is an inherent and perpetual conflict.

The old nonsense rhetoric about "what'll you do when they come for
you?" has been overplayed. I do want all the law enforcement agencies
to be very careful, and I want their overseers to keep a close eye on
them, but I want them to do their jobs.

As for us citizens, we should be eager to get our "real" ID cards to
make the ICE agents' jobs easier.

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C'est bon
Soloman