Re: What the Constitution, Supreme Court say about 'due process' for Trump deportees:

On 6/6/2025 12:26 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Thu, 05 Jun 2025 23:46:51 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
 

On Wed Jun 4 19:16:45 2025 Beej Jorgensen  wrote:

In article <tsb04kl6rvdr08rr6i0gaqs5kchg93ako7@4ax.com>,
Catrike Ryder  <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

Good grief...   I'm not going to respond to your hypothetical question
about something that's not going to happen.

>
These two things have already happened:
>
* U.S. citizens have been arrested by ICE under the pretense that they
   were illegal.
* People have been deported before getting a proper hearing.
>
So the hypothetical isn't far fetched. We're looking at it.

 

Specifics please. As I said, you CANNOT argue with a birth certificate and they are ALL computerized now. So all, you need is a time and place of birth. An Illegal can say he is someone else. But school records and possible military records rapidly clear that up

 I was born in Germany.  I have a birth certificate from a hospital in
Munchen.  The form and data were all German language.  It had been
rejected or ignored every time I was asked for "a birth certificate".
The last time was in 2013(?) when I had to make an appearance at the
local Social Security office.  The clerk dutifully copied it an a
photo copier but asked no questions and likely could not read German.
More recently, the California updated my Real ID when I renewed my
drivers license in Dec 2024.  It was the same story with a twist.  I
had brought a pile of relevant documents with me (naturalization
papers, old visas, land title, house deed, old mortgages, old credit
cards, etc).  The clerk took one look at the pile and announced that
the number of documents was sufficient proof that I am a citizen and
had been a US resident for most of my life.
 I don't think that dragging a pile of documents around solely to prove
that I was a citizen after a traffic stop is very practical.
 I've never been issued a new English birth certificate since I became
a citizen.

I think I can say with a reasonable amount of confidence that very few members of this forum have computerized birth certificates. I know mine isn't.
  I have both old and new passports, which are considered

proof of citizenship, but nothing else.  Oh wait.  I once used my ham
radio license to convince the border guards in Tijuana that I was a US
citizen.  At the time, one needed to be a US citizen to obtain a US
ham radio operators license.
 When my father had been owner of a lingerie factory in Smog Angeles,
he had a chronic problem with his workers.  Many of them were not
quite legally working in the USA.  Everyone had a social security card
and number.  Just one problem.  A large number of them were using a
single social security number, but with different names and addresses.
There were some occasional odd questions, no long term problems.
Incidentally, the California Dept of Employment was directly across
the street from my father's factor.  Nobody walked over, even to say
hello.
   

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