Re: What the Constitution, Supreme Court say about 'due process' for Trump deportees:

On 6/4/2025 7:15 PM, zen cycle wrote:

On 6/4/2025 7:46 PM, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/4/2025 6:12 PM, zen cycle wrote:

On 6/4/2025 5:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/4/2025 2:53 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:

On 6/4/2025 9:43 AM, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/4/2025 4:30 AM, zen cycle wrote:

On 6/3/2025 5:03 PM, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/3/2025 3:10 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:

On 6/3/2025 11:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 6/3/2025 8:59 AM, AMuzi wrote:

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There was a false statement inserted into a
filing in re Kilmar Abrego Garcia that he had
been deported in error. The Justice Department
employee who added that was fired the next
morning and the filing emended...

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Got a citation or other evidence for that claim?
And what did the courts say about this issue? And
where is Mr. Garcia now?

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Right, The government narrative kept changing,
coming up with different excuses, right down to
trump retweeting a photo shopped (fake) image of
Mr. Garcia with gang tattoos. Once they were unable
to convince anyone with any brains that he had no
criminal past, they brought out a domestic abuse
complaint from ten years ago - complete bullshit as
well.
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As Monday morning's NYT for example, whose front
page did not cover the immolation of live US
citizens, including a Holocaust survivor, in
Boulder by an illegal jihadi screaming 'free
palestine.' Deemed not interesting enough by
editorial staff.

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I don't get a print edition of NYT; but your
complaint seems to be that eight people getting
various degrees of burns did not get enough
attention, despite it being on every news outlet.
It looks to me like NYT has since done many
articles on the incident and its implications. Are
you trying to say NYT does sufficiently protest
antisemitism?
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And BTW, what happened was despicable. As you
know, I'm firmly against attempts to harm or kill
groups of innocent people. But "immolation of live
US citizens" is more than a little exaggerated. It
usually means burning to death. I gather only one
person out of the eight was seriously burned.
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There's no excuse for the attack, but you can
slightly relax your grip on your own pearls!
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At his previous 2019 hearing, after his deportation
order, the removal was stayed as the judge found
that his MS-13 gang membership put him at risk in
his old neighborhood controlled by a competing gang.
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(details are messy as he had lived both in El
Salvador and in Guatemala)
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https://tennesseestar.com/news/immigration-
judges-2019- order- found- kilmar-abrego-garcia-
subject-to-removal-by- deportation- but- granted-
withholding-of-removal-to- guatemala-though-
referencing- el-salvador/ tpappert/2025/04/22/
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The prior administration also denied assistance to
Tennessee State Patrol in 2022 when they stopped him
in the car of a known trafficker with a load of
smuggled illegals while speeding with no valid
license. FBI directed TSP to not detain him.
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https://tennesseestar.com/justice/tennessee-highway-
patrol- confirms- biden-era-fbi-told-officers-to-
release- kilmar-abrego- garcia- during-2022-
traffic- stop-despite- speeding-and-license-
violations- to/ tpappert/2025/04/17/
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  Uncorroborated allegations.."sources said"...."two
(unnamed) judges determined he is likely to be a
member of the Central American gang, Mara
Salvatrucha"....iow, more trump ICE/DOJ lies to cover
their assess.

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The judge who, in 2019, stayed deportation to
Guatemala _due to his gang affiliation_ wrote his
decision. It was not appealed.
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Got a link? I couldn't find anything except trump DOJ
heresay.
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Cited above, it's in the header of the first link,
"granted withholding of removal to guatemala though
referencing el salvador"

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um...no.
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The named judge in that article - Judge David M. Jones -
made absolutely no determination of any gang affiliation.
Judge Jones order is linked in the article so you can
read it yourself. (here for convenience https://
drive.google.com/ file/
d/1V_yaacfwjS6i02eeCaHoPh64tGvySkVO/)
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Regarding any alleged gang affiliation, The link you
provided has no more information than "two [unnamed]
judges determined he is likely to be a member of the
Central American gang, Mara Salvatrucha".
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It's heresay, and there has been no evidence produced by
anyone that Mr. Garcia had any gang affiliation. More
trump DOJ bullshit.
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Fair enough, not proved beyond reasonable doubt.
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Here's a question. If you wanted to smuggle eight aliens
from the southern border to Maryland, would you make the
arrangements with a known MS-13 smuggler, who owned the
car in question at the Tennessee traffic stop, or your
local Boy Scout troop?
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  Here's a question, Where do you see any information that
any of the seven people in the car (excluding garcia) were
illegal and that the car was owned by a known smuggler?
 
 
 

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Update this afternoon regarding Mr Abrego Garcia.
3-1/2 minute video is on the 2d screen/page here:
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/kilmar-abrego-garcia-way-back-185850961.html