Re: What the Constitution, Supreme Court say about 'due process' for Trump deportees:

On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 16:23:02 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On 6/10/2025 12:58 PM, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/10/2025 11:33 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 6/10/2025 10:55 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:

On 6/10/2025 9:08 AM, AMuzi wrote:

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https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/la-county-and-state- to-purge-15-
million-inactive-voters-from-rolls/6866/

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Inactive voters are registered voters who have not voted in a certain
number of previous elections. Obviously, they had no effect on the
election.
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https://apnews.com/article/ohio-voters-citizenship-
referrals-42799a379bdda8bca7201d6c42f99c65

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Per that link, there were 138 "non-ohio citizens" out of 8 million
votes cast.
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https://www.illinoisreview.com/illinoisreview/2017/09/ chicago-more-
votes-than-registered-voters.html

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This was a right wing media ruse, where cook county votes being
tallied in Chicago - because that's where cook county votes are
tallied - outnumbered the the total number of registered voters in
Chicago.
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welll.....duuuuuhhhhhh.
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To "not significant numbers" I say our elections are routinely
decided on small fractions of 1%.

The evidence is not there to support any accusation that a close
election was decided by illegal votes.

And the right wing strategies to correct this alleged problem almost
invariably hinge on making it more difficult for poor, or minority, or
legitimate immigrant people to vote.
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Andrew has said something like he'd rather see a guilty person go free
rather than have an innocent person executed, or words to that effect.
That is, we should presume innocence unless guilt is proven.
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To extend that logic to voting, we shouldn't use the _myth_ of
significant voter fraud to deprive innocent people of their right to
vote.
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I don't believe this controversy is a big issue in other developed
countries. It's another way the right wing manufactures imaginary
problems in America.
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Not my original idea.
It's rooted in English Common Law and neatly phrased by Benjamin
Franklin.

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The phrase 'better that 100 guilty men go free than one innocent
punished' is a grade-school civics class lesson (at least, it was 6th
grade for me).
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I had to google to refresh my 52-year-old recollection. He wrote it in a
letter Benjamin Vaughan in 1786 - a negotiator for the Brits at the
Treaty of Paris (no, my 6th grade civics didn't get that far into it)
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Franklin was paraphrasing  Sir William Blackstone in his "Commentaries
on the Laws of England" (1771): "all presumptive evidence of felony
should be admitted cautiously: for the law holds, that it is better that
ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer.”"
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I quoted him while noting the belief is widely, and justly,
held in USA.

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Yeah....about that...
 "I'm more concerned with bad guys who got out and released than I am
with a few that in fact were innocent."..."I have no problem as long as
we achieve our objective. ... I'd do it again in a minute."
- Dick Cheney
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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/12/cheney-alright-with-torture-of-innocent-people.html
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Simlarly, in  in Cambodia, Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge expressed the same
sentiment: "better arrest an innocent person than leave a guilty one free."
- Pol Pot's Little Red Book
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The current administration doesn't seem too concerned that innocent
legal residents are being snatched and detained purely for political
purposes.
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Add xx to reply

Other than when Trump was charged purely for political purposes, I've
not seen any evidense of that. That mighr be because I mostly ignore
the rhetoric from the people who told me that Joe Biden was capable of
performing the duties of the POTUS.

--
C'est bon
Soloman