Re: Food Prices

Liste des GroupesRevenir à rb tech 
Sujet : Re: Food Prices
De : funkmaster (at) *nospam* hotmail.com (Zen Cycle)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.tech
Date : 12. Jun 2025, 20:38:06
Autres entêtes
Organisation : A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID : <102faav$2m8bk$10@dont-email.me>
References : 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
User-Agent : Mozilla Thunderbird
On 6/12/2025 3:31 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 00:50:31 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
 
On Wed Jun 11 19:44:43 2025 Frank Krygowski  wrote:
On 6/11/2025 4:42 PM, cyclintom wrote:
Energy prices have skyrocketed over the last 12 months as the wind and solar farms have gotten to the point of needing replacement.
stop acting like a single point in time is proof of anything. (lol)

>
Hmm. How odd. I see no replacements happening in any of the solar
installations in my area. Not many wind turbines here, but the ones I
saw along Lake Erie last week seemed to be churning away as usual.
>
I'd ask for sources of information, but I know the real source is the
voice in Tom's brain.
>
>
>
>
Frank, stop acting like a single point in time is proof of anything.
 Tom.  I haven't seen much corroboration from you for your amazing
facts.
 
The 120 foot windmills require REGULAR replacement of the blades. They are NOT recyclable and are normally simply buried.
 Mostly true.  Yes, turbine blades are a problem, but they can be
recycled.  They are stockpiled, not buried.
 "Wind turbine blade recycling is underway in Iowa"  June 14, 2024
<https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2024/06/14/wind-turbine-blade-recycling-is-underway-in-iowa/>
 
And the attached generators burn out often because the ends of the blades are traveling just under the speed of sound and shaking everything to pieces.
 Amazing.  I didn't know that turbine tip speed destroyed generators.
Usually, the gearbox wears out before the generator.
 "Wind turbine gearboxes: When is 20 years not 20 years?"
<https://tamarindo.global/insight/analysis/wind-turbine-gearboxes-when-is-20-years-not-20-years/>
"So almost all gearboxes in a wind farm are likely to fail within 20
years."
 Generators usually last a little longer (30 years):
"Wind Energy End-of-Service Guide"
<https://windexchange.energy.gov/end-of-service-guide>
 
Solar farms leave the dead cells in place until they begin to show steep drops in power output.
 That's by design.  In the distant past, the failure of a single cell
drastically reduced the panel output.  With a properly designed MPPT
micro inverter system, single cell failures can be tolerated.  When
output is reduced to 80% of nominal output, it's considered defective
and in need for replacement.
 
What's more solar farms are OFTEN left in place and simply deserted. The Mojave Desert here is rife with them.
 You're probably thinking of the Ivanpah solar-thermal plant.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivanpah_Solar_Power_Facility>
It hasn't been abandoned, but is scheduled to shutdown in 2026:
<https://apnews.com/article/california-solar-energy-ivanpah-birds-tortoises-mojave-6d91c36a1ff608861d5620e715e1141c>
 Since you claim that "the Mojave Desert here is rife with them",
perhaps you can provide a link to a list of decommissioned desert
power plants or aerial photos?  I can easily find some that are still
operational, but nothing that looks deserted or abandoned:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=decommissioned%20Mojave%20solar%20power%20plants%20-Ivanpah&udm=2>
<https://www.google.com/search?q=abandoned%20Mojave%20solar%20power%20plants%20-Ivanpah&udm=2>
The circular power plant is Ivanpah.  I looked through many pages of
photos and couldn't find an abandoned or decommission solar power
plant in the Mojave Desert.  You really should check your facts before
your waste my time proving you wrong (as usual).
   
--
Add xx to reply

Date Sujet#  Auteur
25 May 25 * Re: Food Prices120Shadow
26 May 25 +* Re: Food Prices110Jeff Liebermann
26 May 25 i`* Re: Food Prices109AMuzi
26 May 25 i +* Re: Food Prices7Jeff Liebermann
26 May 25 i i+* Re: Food Prices3AMuzi
26 May 25 i ii`* Re: Food Prices2Jeff Liebermann
26 May 25 i ii `- Re: Food Prices1AMuzi
30 May 25 i i`* Re: Food Prices3Zen Cycle
30 May 25 i i +- Re: Food Prices1AMuzi
30 May 25 i i `- Re: Food Prices1Jeff Liebermann
27 May 25 i `* Re: Food Prices101John B.
29 May 25 i  `* Re: Food Prices100John B.
30 May 25 i   +* Re: Food Prices38Jeff Liebermann
30 May 25 i   i+* Re: Food Prices35Frank Krygowski
30 May 25 i   ii+- Re: Food Prices1Zen Cycle
31 May 25 i   ii+* Re: Food Prices12Jeff Liebermann
1 Jun 25 i   iii`* Re: Food Prices11John B.
1 Jun 25 i   iii `* Re: Food Prices10Jeff Liebermann
1 Jun 25 i   iii  +* Re: Food Prices5Catrike Ryder
1 Jun 25 i   iii  i+* Re: Food Prices2AMuzi
11 Jun00:56 i   iii  ii`- Re: Food Prices1Jeff Liebermann
1 Jun 25 i   iii  i`* Re: Food Prices2Frank Krygowski
1 Jun 25 i   iii  i `- Re: Food Prices1Catrike Ryder
1 Jun 25 i   iii  `* Re: Food Prices4AMuzi
11 Jun00:59 i   iii   `* Re: Food Prices3Jeff Liebermann
11 Jun02:12 i   iii    `* Re: Food Prices2John B.
11 Jun02:28 i   iii     `- Re: Food Prices1Jeff Liebermann
1 Jun 25 i   ii+* Re: Food Prices12Shadow
12 Jun00:09 i   iii+- Re: Food Prices1Shadow
12 Jun00:44 i   iii`* Re: Food Prices10Frank Krygowski
12 Jun09:20 i   iii +* Re: Food Prices2Rolf Mantel
12 Jun14:03 i   iii i`- Re: Food Prices1Zen Cycle
12 Jun20:31 i   iii +* Re: Food Prices5Jeff Liebermann
12 Jun20:38 i   iii i+* Re: Food Prices2Zen Cycle
12 Jun21:17 i   iii ii`- Re: Food Prices1Jeff Liebermann
12 Jun22:49 i   iii i`* Re: Food Prices2Frank Krygowski
13 Jun00:28 i   iii i `- Re: Food Prices1Jeff Liebermann
12 Jun21:50 i   iii `* Re: Food Prices2Frank Krygowski
13 Jun00:52 i   iii  `- Re: Food Prices1Jeff Liebermann
1 Jun 25 i   ii`* Re: Food Prices9Frank Krygowski
1 Jun 25 i   ii +- Re: Food Prices1Catrike Ryder
2 Jun 25 i   ii +- Re: Food Prices1Zen Cycle
12 Jun00:33 i   ii +* Re: Food Prices4Shadow
12 Jun18:19 i   ii i+* Re: Food Prices2Shadow
12 Jun19:49 i   ii ii`- Re: Food Prices1Zen Cycle
12 Jun20:18 i   ii i`- Re: Food Prices1Frank Krygowski
12 Jun01:02 i   ii +- Re: Food Prices1Frank Krygowski
12 Jun06:20 i   ii `- Re: Food Prices1Jeff Liebermann
30 May 25 i   i`* Re: Food Prices2Jeff Liebermann
7 Jun23:49 i   i `- Re: Food Prices1Jeff Liebermann
30 May 25 i   +- Re: Food Prices1John B.
30 May 25 i   `* Re: Food Prices60AMuzi
30 May 25 i    `* Re: Food Prices59Frank Krygowski
31 May 25 i     `* Re: Food Prices58Roger Merriman
31 May 25 i      +* Re: Food Prices55Jeff Liebermann
31 May 25 i      i+* Re: Food Prices53Roger Merriman
31 May 25 i      ii+* Re: Food Prices2Jeff Liebermann
1 Jun 25 i      iii`- Re: Food Prices1Roger Merriman
31 May 25 i      ii`* Re: Food Prices50Beej Jorgensen
31 May 25 i      ii +* Re: Food Prices42Jeff Liebermann
1 Jun 25 i      ii i`* Re: Food Prices41Frank Krygowski
1 Jun 25 i      ii i `* Re: Food Prices40Jeff Liebermann
1 Jun 25 i      ii i  +* Re: Food Prices37Frank Krygowski
1 Jun 25 i      ii i  i+* Re: Food Prices7Jeff Liebermann
2 Jun 25 i      ii i  ii+- Re: Food Prices1Frank Krygowski
2 Jun 25 i      ii i  ii`* Re: Food Prices5Catrike Ryder
2 Jun 25 i      ii i  ii `* Re: Food Prices4Jeff Liebermann
2 Jun 25 i      ii i  ii  +- Re: Food Prices1Catrike Ryder
3 Jun 25 i      ii i  ii  `* Re: Food Prices2Frank Krygowski
3 Jun 25 i      ii i  ii   `- Re: Food Prices1Jeff Liebermann
2 Jun 25 i      ii i  i`* Re: Food Prices29Catrike Ryder
2 Jun 25 i      ii i  i `* Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME28pH
2 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  +- Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME1Zen Cycle
2 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  +- Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME1Catrike Ryder
2 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  +- Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME1AMuzi
3 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  +* Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME23Frank Krygowski
3 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i`* Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME22Jeff Liebermann
3 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i +* Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME7Catrike Ryder
4 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i i`* Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME6Jeff Liebermann
4 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i i `* Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME5Catrike Ryder
4 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i i  `* Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME4Jeff Liebermann
4 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i i   `* Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME3Catrike Ryder
4 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i i    `* Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME2Jeff Liebermann
4 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i i     `- Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME1Catrike Ryder
3 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i `* Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME14pH
4 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i  +- Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME1Frank Krygowski
4 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i  `* Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME12Catrike Ryder
4 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i   +* Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME2Jeff Liebermann
4 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i   i`- Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME1Catrike Ryder
4 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i   `* Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME9Frank Krygowski
4 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i    +- Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME1Catrike Ryder
4 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i    `* Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME7Zen Cycle
4 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i     `* Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME6Frank Krygowski
4 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i      `* Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME5Catrike Ryder
5 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i       `* Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME4Frank Krygowski
5 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i        `* Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME3Catrike Ryder
6 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i         `* Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME2Frank Krygowski
6 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  i          `- Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME1Catrike Ryder
3 Jun 25 i      ii i  i  `- Re: Food Prices topic drift to TIME1Catrike Ryder
2 Jun 25 i      ii i  `* Re: Food Prices2Rolf Mantel
2 Jun 25 i      ii i   `- Re: Food Prices1Jeff Liebermann
12 Jun13:18 i      ii +* Re: Food Prices2Rolf Mantel
12 Jun13:47 i      ii `* Re: Food Prices5AMuzi
12 Jun06:53 i      i`- Re: Food Prices1Jeff Liebermann
2 Jun 25 i      `* Re: Food Prices2Rolf Mantel
27 May 25 `* Re: Food Prices9Shadow

Haut de la page

Les messages affichés proviennent d'usenet.

NewsPortal