Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general

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Sujet : Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general
De : frkrygow (at) *nospam* sbcglobal.net (Frank Krygowski)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.tech
Date : 18. Jun 2025, 17:17:37
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On 6/18/2025 9:04 AM, AMuzi wrote:
 
`On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 17:42:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
<https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M21-3762>
"Overall rates of homicide were more than twice as high among
cohabitants of handgun owners than among cohabitants of nonowners
(adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). These elevated
rates were driven largely by higher rates of homicide by firearm
(adjusted hazard ratio, 2.83 [CI, 2.05 to 3.91]). Among homicides
occurring at home, cohabitants of owners had sevenfold higher rates of
being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner (adjusted hazard
ratio, 7.16 [CI, 4.04 to 12.69]); 84% of these victims were female."
>
<https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/>
"For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally
justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven
criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.
>
"Conclusions: Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a
fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide
attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense."
 All  unclear to me.
 As with Andrew Cuomo's awakening in his term as HUD Secretary, the question was put to him, "Is public housing violent because he residents are armed, or do public housing residents arm themselves because the projects are violent?"
 I'd posit that firearm ownership in Poland Ohio is most probably drastically lower than in North Lawndale Chicago. The subsequent statistics reflect both neighborhood dangers for the residents (or lack thereof) as well as the cultural makeup of the residents at large.
First, this village has a long history of Republican dominance. That usually translates to pro-gun stances. It's also prosperous enough that most residents can afford as many guns as they want. I've mentioned the guy around the block who was convinced there would be an invasion from the inner city, and was armed to the teeth and beyond. When he died, the collection of guns and ammo became quite a problem for his widow. (Needless to say, they were never needed, despite his paranoia.)
Second, I've referenced other studies here that proved that the "more guns = more household shooting deaths" was NOT related to "neighborhood dangers." It was as true in peaceful suburbs as inner city apartment blocks.

I can't imagine a study design to reveal any underlying truth (or lack thereof), given that armed citizens are generally wan to discuss the subjects.
That translates to "I can't imagine I'll ever agree with a gun-skeptic study."
--
- Frank Krygowski

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