Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general

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Sujet : Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general
De : am (at) *nospam* yellowjersey.org (AMuzi)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.tech
Date : 20. Jun 2025, 14:18:54
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On 6/20/2025 5:06 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 6/19/2025 11:25 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/19/2025 4:05 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 00:31:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
"If a person does get a gun for "protection," they or someone in their
household becomes much more likely to get shot"
--Krygowski
>
Nonsense. There are probably more people who bought a gun for
protection who have not been shot, than people who bought a gun for
protection who have been shot.
>
Wow.
>
Can one of Mr. Tricycle Rider's allies please explain his logic mistake to him? I'm beyond trying to help him learn to think.
>
>
 If he would have bothered to read the study, he'd know that there are in fact more people who bought a gun for protection who have not been shot than people who bought a gun for protection who have been shot.
 The fact that he thinks the study is bogus because more people who bought a gun for protection who have not been shot than people who bought a gun for protection who have been shot shows that he didn't read the study, and if he did, he didn't understand it.
 The claim "there are more people who bought a gun for protection who have not been shot, than people who bought a gun for protection who have been shot" does not negate the the conclusion of the study that having a gun in your home makes you more likely to get shot.
 It's likely that the dumbass will never be able to understand the distinction because:
a) he reading comprehension is too weak to understand statistical analysis
2) his automatically dismisses anything not fed to him by his magatard echo chamber.
 but as I mentioned before, trying to expose him to new concepts and use objective rationale has little more possibility of success that trying to convince a dog not to lick it's own ass.
 IOW - it's just the willfully ignorant dumbass being a willfully ignorant dumbass.
 
A new paper by Jens Ludwig (could not find a not-paywall copy) elucidates the area well. Here's a synopsis:
https://www.vpm.org/npr-news/npr-news/2025-05-23/a-new-theory-on-gun-violence
also:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg26635450-100-how-a-study-in-the-stockholm-subway-could-help-prevent-violent-crime/
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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15 Jun 25 * Riding a bike a protection and in general146Mark J cleary
15 Jun 25 +* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general21Jeff Liebermann
15 Jun 25 i+- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
16 Jun 25 i`* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general19AMuzi
17 Jun 25 i `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general18Frank Krygowski
18 Jun 25 i  `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general17Zen Cycle
18 Jun 25 i   +* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general6Catrike Ryder
19 Jun 25 i   i`* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general5John B.
19 Jun 25 i   i +- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Frank Krygowski
19 Jun 25 i   i `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general3Catrike Ryder
19 Jun 25 i   i  `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general2AMuzi
19 Jun 25 i   i   `- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Frank Krygowski
18 Jun 25 i   `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general10AMuzi
18 Jun 25 i    +- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
18 Jun 25 i    `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general8Frank Krygowski
18 Jun 25 i     +* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general6AMuzi
18 Jun 25 i     i`* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general5Frank Krygowski
18 Jun 25 i     i `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general4Catrike Ryder
18 Jun 25 i     i  `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general3Frank Krygowski
18 Jun 25 i     i   +- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
18 Jun 25 i     i   `- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Zen Cycle
18 Jun 25 i     `- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
15 Jun 25 +* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general4Catrike Ryder
15 Jun 25 i`* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general3Jeff Liebermann
15 Jun 25 i +- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
21 Jun 25 i `- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Jeff Liebermann
16 Jun 25 +* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general42Frank Krygowski
16 Jun 25 i+- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
17 Jun 25 i+- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
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18 Jun 25 ii `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general24Zen Cycle
18 Jun 25 ii  +* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general3Frank Krygowski
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18 Jun 25 ii  i`- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
19 Jun 25 ii  `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general20John B.
19 Jun 25 ii   `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general19Catrike Ryder
19 Jun 25 ii    `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general18Frank Krygowski
19 Jun 25 ii     +- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
20 Jun 25 ii     `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general16zen cycle
20 Jun 25 ii      +* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general6AMuzi
20 Jun 25 ii      i`* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general5Frank Krygowski
20 Jun 25 ii      i +* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general3Catrike Ryder
20 Jun 25 ii      i i`* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general2AMuzi
20 Jun 25 ii      i i `- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
20 Jun 25 ii      i `- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1AMuzi
20 Jun 25 ii      +* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general7John B.
20 Jun 25 ii      i+* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general3Shadow
21 Jun 25 ii      ii`* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general2John B.
22 Jun 25 ii      ii `- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Shadow
20 Jun 25 ii      i+- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Zen Cycle
20 Jun 25 ii      i`* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general2Frank Krygowski
20 Jun 25 ii      i `- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
20 Jun 25 ii      +- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
20 Jun 25 ii      `- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
17 Jun 25 i`* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general13Frank Krygowski
20 Jun 25 i `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general12Frank Krygowski
20 Jun 25 i  +- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
21 Jun 25 i  `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general10Jeff Liebermann
21 Jun 25 i   `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general9Frank Krygowski
21 Jun 25 i    +* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general3Jeff Liebermann
21 Jun 25 i    i`* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general2Frank Krygowski
21 Jun 25 i    i `- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Jeff Liebermann
21 Jun 25 i    +- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1AMuzi
22 Jun 25 i    `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general4zen cycle
22 Jun 25 i     `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general3zen cycle
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23 Jun 25 i       `- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Zen Cycle
16 Jun 25 `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general78Roger Merriman
16 Jun 25  `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general77Catrike Ryder
16 Jun 25   +* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general8Roger Merriman
16 Jun 25   i+- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
16 Jun 25   i+* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general4AMuzi
16 Jun 25   ii+- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Roger Merriman
16 Jun 25   ii`* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general2Frank Krygowski
16 Jun 25   ii `- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
16 Jun 25   i`* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general2Frank Krygowski
16 Jun 25   i `- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
16 Jun 25   `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general68AMuzi
16 Jun 25    `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general67Catrike Ryder
16 Jun 25     `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general66Mark J cleary
16 Jun 25      +- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
16 Jun 25      +* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general50Frank Krygowski
16 Jun 25      i+* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general3Catrike Ryder
17 Jun 25      ii`* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general2Shadow
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17 Jun 25      i  `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general44AMuzi
17 Jun 25      i   +* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general3Catrike Ryder
17 Jun 25      i   i`* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general2Frank Krygowski
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17 Jun 25      i   `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general40Frank Krygowski
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17 Jun 25      i     `* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general38Frank Krygowski
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18 Jun 25      i        i+- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
18 Jun 25      i        i`- Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general1Catrike Ryder
18 Jun 25      i        +* Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general4Catrike Ryder
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