Sujet : Re: General Motors quietly closed the door this week on a goal to make only electric vehicles by 2035.
De : jeffl (at) *nospam* cruzio.com (Jeff Liebermann)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.techDate : 21. Jul 2025, 18:40:52
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 11:19:48 -0500, AMuzi <
am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/21/2025 10:53 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:
On 7/17/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 20:04:43 -0000 (UTC), Beej Jorgensen
<beej@beej.us> wrote:
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In article <1vki7k10egcrhostdbs6sp6ml5pdri0r93@4ax.com>,
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Gas and oil subsidies are for fuel sources. EV subsidies are to
manipulate consumer purchases.
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I agree insofar as I agree that consumers don't purchase gas and oil.
Gas and oil are important for many more things that automobiles.
Batteries for trucks, trains, ships, and airplanes are only dreams.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
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And ethylene for a gazillion polymer products and packages.
And asphalt, bunker fuel and solvents. And myriad other crude cracking
fractions. Oh, plus helium (there's a shortage) from natural gas
production.
Natural gas for ammonia production, meaning nitrate fertilizers and
feedstock for all sorts of amines. Fossil fuel is used for almost all
cement production, used to build almost everything. Coke from coal for
steel production. It's possible to imagine replacing all of these with
something else, actually doing so will be very difficult.
The supply of fossil fuels is certainly finite, and eventually all of
those replacements will have to be done or industrial civilization
abandoned. Guessing when that will happen is a mug's game.
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All the world's oil ran out in 2011. We have definitive
proof of that on video:
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https://religiopoliticaltalk.com/35-years-worth-of-oil-left-jimmy-carter-1976/
Chuckle. Oil well owners have been under estimating their supplies of
oil probably since oil was discovered. The price of oil tends to
respond dramatically to minor changes in supply. Even rumors of
something that will cause a small and temporary shortage will cause a
dramatic increase in oil prices. I think this is called
"manipulating" the market. There is also no international
organization tasked with verifying various nations claims.
1976 and Jimmy Carter's speech were a few years after various Arab
states attacked Israel and after the 1973-74 energy crisis. A few
years earlier (1971) Richard Nixon had to impose price and wage
controls to avert a panic. What Carter was trying to do is convince
the nation that we have 35 years to fix the problem by improving
vehicle efficiency, conservation, alternative fuels, etc. In other
words, he was trying to avert a panic, not cause one.
-- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.comPO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.comBen Lomond CA 95005-0272Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
General Motors quietly closed the door this week on a goal to make only electric vehicles by 2035.
Re: General Motors quietly closed the door this week on a goal to make only electric vehicles by 2035.