Re: Last night was "surf and coop."

On 3/8/2025 1:46 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

On 2025-03-08 12:38 p.m., Ed P wrote:

On 3/8/2025 10:14 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
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I am not a big fan of the taxing and tipping culture and would prefer that tax and service be included in the menu price. I do tip but I stick to the old standard of 15% for good service and I am fed with the pressure for a minimum 20% just for showing up.
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Won't work.  Tipping in restaurants is ingrained and overall, works.
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Canada may be different,but in the US, states determine minimum wage for service workers if they want more than the federal mandate of $2.13.  In Florida is in the $10,98 vs $14 for regular minimum.

   That is what is done in most of Europe where tax and service are factored into the price. While  menu prices may look to be more but you don't have to shell out for tax and tip on top of that, so what you see is what you pay.
 My most recent trip to Paris was close to 2 years ago. On our first night we had a simple supper at a sidewalk cafe. My very substantial chicken dinner was 15 Euros, about $22 CDN, and that included tax and service and I left a small tip. The next night was closer to the hotel and we had a three course menu meal, appetizer, main plate and dessert for 20 Euros. Throw in a decent bottle of wine for another 20 Euros for a total of 60 Euros about $90... service and tax included.  The food and service were good.
   > Take a family restaurant type, Applbee's, or Chili's. What do you think is a fair and decent wage for the server?
 

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The business will have to pay more so prices will go up to cover it. People will complain, even if a tip is not needed and some sales will be lost.
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Let's say they start to pay the $14 wage.  Many servers will quit.
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Take a family restaurant type, Applbee's, or Chili's. What do you think is a fair and decent wage for the server?

 Make it something close to what they would be expected to make with tips. They are the restaurant's employees so they should be responsible for paying their employees, not the customers.
 

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Oh, under present setup, servers often have to share a portion of the tip with others, like food runners.
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OK, as manager, what do you think your servers should earn?

 What they hell. Why not just out then on straight tips, have them do their busing and table prep with the customers and then have the stand there with their hands out for tips.  Or pay them something more than minimum.
 

So, you decline putting a number on it.  $15?  $25?  Anyone want to say?