Re: slightly OT.... a clean oven

Michael Trew wrote:

On 11/30/2024 8:54 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2024-11-30, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

 
  I grew up in a house without any running water, or a
bathroom.

 
Nowadays, that's illegal everywhere in Michigan.  Even the Amish
have to install a bathroom, but they're not required to use it.

 
Who enforces that state-wide?  Especially rural and in Amish
communities?  Where I live, people outside of city limits don't have
any sort of zoning or code enforcement to harass them or condemn
homes without plumbing.  I'd bet that there are still poor rural
Ohioans who live without plumbing.  Let us not forget the "off the
grid" type folks.   New construction with county permits would be a
different story.

From what I've noted (looking at houses in more rural places than we
actually selected) it's very hit-or-miss on enforcement.  Plumbing for
example, not required in some places but if you DO have it, has to be
codespec according to the time it was installed.  Say a really old
house (we looked at one).  It was over 100 years old.  No plumbing,
outhouse instead. Get water from the stream and haul it in.  Cast iron
wood stove for cooking.  I don't recall if they had electricity.  It
was build in the era of gas lights but too far away to be on any city
line for it.  I recall a lot of kerosine lamps.

I found a 1970's news article of the East Liverpool health department
condemning a home not far from mine, due to the long-term elderly
inhabitants living in their home without being hooked to the water
main, as they always had done, since before running water was
available.  The article went on to say that kind neighbors pitched in
and bought them a septic system, since the city sewer didn't reach
that far.  I explored the now decades-abandoned house before it was
razed, and found that they still had no kitchen plumbing or sink,
just the small add-on bathroom.

If inside city limits, it's different.  Folks try that stuff but out
there in rural areas, little chance of that happening.

Look this way, your out is *way out of specs for FL* because they have
extra specs due to hurricanes.  Makes sense you wouldn't have to go to
the added cost of those.