Re: Hostage deal

On 2/23/2025 5:52 AM, Zionazi wrote:

On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 5:42:43 +0000, Frank Berger wrote:
 

On 2/21/2025 4:40 AM, Zionazi wrote:

Or rather the Moral imperative is to follow This guideline. But it does
not forbid murder — as many people (Not orthodox Jews, because there is
Capital Punishment in Judaism) seem to believe.
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It’s just many people don’t have an eye for Details.. Pope Francis
abandoned the death Penalty eh?
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The Problem with christianity is this Ideology of „turning the other
cheek“ (especially Protestants seem to have fallen prey for this idiocy)
— Id argue that Christian socialization made many people in the West too
soft-hearted, Like they turned people into These do-gooders, into These
wannabe good Samaritans

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I can't follow what you are trying to say.  In Judaism, God said not to
commit murder. He did not say not to kill.  Killing is OK in certain

 I can’t speak Hebrew, but according to Google translation „לֹא תִּרְצָח“
translates to „though shall not murder“. Same in German. Now you can
also Interpret This as „do Not murder“ — but there is a difference in
These two Phrases - in their meaning - to „You _must_ Not murder“.
 In Judaism it is Not only okay to kill someone in certain situations,
but also to murder someone in certain situations.

By definition, it is not ok to murder.  Ever.
  Seems Like You don’t

really understand the distinctions im Making Here. One distinction im
Making is between „You _shall_ Not murder“/„_do_ not murder“ and „You
_must_ not murder“
 

I think you are making up distinctions that don't exist. Just because the English translations vary doesn't necessarily mean anything.  If you want to talk sensibly from a Jewish perspective, you must consult Jewish sources, not make stuff up.

There is Capital punishment in Judaism, so obviously murdering someone
is allowed.

What are you talking about?  Executing someone in accordance with Jewish law is not "murder."
If you imprison Eichmann — he‘s not a threat anymore — and

then Hang him, You’re murdering him (according to the Mosaic law,
Capital punishment is Applied to murderers — such as Eichmann).
 

The fact that Eichmann was executed doesn't have anything to do with Jewish law. Israel is not a theocracy.  Did the Israeli government check with Rabbis before executing Eichmann?  If they did, and the execution was green lighted by them then the execution wasn't murder, again by definition. If the execution violated some of the requirements of a legal Jewish execution, then maybe you could call it murder (from a Halachic point of view). Not from the point of view of the State, though.

The Point Im trying to make is simple: Judaism allows murder, and the
commandment is just a General guideline — not a Prohibition to murder.
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You are not making sense.

circumstances - self-defense (but not even always then), just wars,
etc., a few other instances. The requirements for capital punishment are
strict. It is traditionally believed that capital punishment was rare,
even in antiquity.

 So You See, murder is allowed in Judaism.

Wrong.  Completely. Mind boggeling.