Re: OT: Genocide? Bomber Harris - John Thaw Full Movie (BBC 1989)

On Jun 30, 2024 at 3:13:15 AM EDT, "Zionazi" <marcs12212@gmail.com> wrote:

Owen Hartnett wrote:
 

Nazi Germany led the way with aerial attacks on civilian population at
Guernica in 1937. After that, since "Germany started it," most of the
WWII
nations not only matched the effort, but turned it into a science.
Coventry in
England got burned to a crisp by Germany during the raid on 14 November
1940
using incendiary bombs. Dresden followed on 13-14 February 1945, which
some
have suggested it was Churchill's revenge for Coventry. All this rapidly
pales
before the non-nuclear firebombing of Japan by the US between 1942 and
1945,
killing between 210,000 and 900,000 people, which dwarfs the atomic bomb
attacks of 35,000 to 50,000 deaths in Hiroshima and 100,000 in Nagasaki.

 
Interesting info. Thanks. The numbers are a bit wrong wrt hiroshima, but
the rest seems correct.

Double the numbers and it's the same effect.

 

 
As to morality, from Wikipedia comes this quote: "According to Robert
McNamara, who served as an officer in the Army Air Forces under General
Curtis
LeMay during the bombings of Japan, LeMay once said that had the United
States
lost the war they would have been tried for war crimes, McNamara agrees
with
this assessment. McNamara believed that, "He (LeMay), and I'd say I,
were
behaving as war criminals." and that "LeMay recognized that what he was
doing
would be thought immoral if his side had lost. But what makes it immoral
if
you lose and not immoral if you win?"

 
This is moral relativism, but moral, Owen, is something objective,
something universal — it is not dependent on who was victorious and who
was defeated.

You state that like morals are universally accepted as black or white.

 
Do you think the Nazis and WW2-Japanese had the moral superiority to
give you lectures on morality? Lol

No more than I think you have that moral superiority.

If morality is absolutely subjective, as you say, then lectures would be
unnecessary.

 
According to the Nazis it was moral to genocide the Jews (subjective) -
according to
Objective morality, the Nazis were immoral.

According to the US government, in the name of manifest destiny (a highly
praised, at the time, moral attitude), killing of native Americans was a
necessity. Slavery is also OK according to the Bible and the US Constitution.

 
eichmann was a hero to the Nazis, objectively he was a monster.
Harris was objectively a hero, subjectively - in the eyes of the Nazis -
he was a monster.
 
There is a right and there is a wrong — doesn’t depend on the side you
are on.
 

The government is the moral arbitrator for its citizens. It decides who should
and shouldn't have abortions, whose children should be send to war and killed,
who deserves to starve to death and who should die for what crimes. Since we
have several governments, somehow, strangely enough, they are not all
agreeing.

-Owen