Re: Screw Celibidache‘s Beethoven

After listening to Carlos Kleiber... I have to say... maybe
Celibidache's B5 is not bad at all - but when comppared to Mengelberg,
Celibidache sucks... and from what I remember, and from the bits I just
relistened to, E. Kleiber's B5 and even Karajan's 1963 B5 seem much less
rushed and much less hyterical even though the tempo (in the first
movement) is about the same (compared to C. Kleiber's)... much more
organic... but they all fall flat when compared to Mengelberg though,
fuck Mengelberg really plays the orchestra as if it were a piano or
sth...