Re: jewish emancipation also means emancipation from ancient rituals

On 12/12/2024 7:29 AM, Zionazi wrote:

On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 6:29:37 +0000, Frank Berger wrote:
 

On 12/10/2024 3:46 AM, Zionazi wrote:

On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 7:52:37 +0000, Frank Berger wrote:
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On 12/9/2024 1:39 PM, Zionazi wrote:

Just sayin
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I have for many reasons Great Respect for Judaism, but obviously it‘s
time for some things not to be practiced anymore — some things  Should
have Never been practiced.
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modern jewry emancipated from ancient rituals

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The only one I KNOW you are referring to is circumcision.  Are there
others?

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For the time being that‘s the one I‘m Most concerned about.
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You already talked to me about this once before; You still had me
killfiled so I didn‘t bother to answer…
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„Imagine how Jews feel about it. Have you ever attended a Bris (ritual
circumcision)? There is dual "vibe." Pride and Joy at entering a child
into the fold and tension/pity over the pain that the infant is going to
go through. The fact is, though, that the baby usually starts crying as
soon as he is on his back and exposed. When the snip occurs, you often
can't even hear in increase in intensity of the crying. Not that it
doesn't hurt. I've the opposite, where the baby is perfectly happy until
the snip. The baby is given a wine-soaked cloth to suck on which
districts him and presumably anesthetic. I've never seen a baby cry at a
bris for money than a minute or so. It doesn't seem as though it bothers
them any more than a wet or dirty diaper. I don't know if there's
research on this. I've seen people say why do we do this brutal thing to
our boys, answer it's because my father did it do me and I'm going to
get even by doing it to my son. Really. Why do we really do it? Because
the Torah says so. I don't know liberal (Reform, Reconstructionist) have
different attitudes toward circumcision and if a significant number of
them don't practice it. The Orthodox would never imagine not
circumcising their boys. When the Soviet Union finally started Jews
emigrate, very few were observant, yet thousands (I can't prove this) of
grown Jewish men who had not been circumcised (it was illegal in the SU)
had themselves circumcised when they had the freedom to do so. When I
lived in Dallas I was close with quite a few Russian Jews and know this
to be a fact. I certainly would expect and understand an atheist to
think the practice is cruel and barbaric. Tough.“
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There is quite a Bit wrong with what You’re saying here, how You’re
addressing this Topic…. Give Me a few minutes to answer

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I am embarrassed at the number of errors and dropped words. The
substance I will stick to.

 Check your Priorities…
 I think it‘s Kind of Funny You’re embarrassed by the number of errors,
yet Not about gambling with the physical well-being of your sons.
 You‘re being pedantic…

You have a lot to learn.  Quote me some health statistics regarding circumcision.  My understanding is that there are no serious differences between cut and uncut.  If you want to oppose circumcision on ethical grounds, fine.  But be sure of your medical facts before you start telling me I'm gambling with my son's health.