Re: Vatican and science

On 21.9.2024. 12:39, JTEM wrote:

  Mario Petrinovic wrote:

         Once, in a discussion, some Catholic said to me that I will never be happy because I will not feel the love from God, or something.

 That sounds like someone from every religion.
 

I told her that, from my experience, most radical Catholic believers are handicapped people looking for salvation, on which she shut up.

 Must've been your non-verbal queues -- volume, tone, facial expression
or even body language, because that's not exactly a show-stopper of a
response.
 They're not saying anything that is not implied by (if not expressly
stated) by others, going back decades earlier.
 It's also just redefining the term "Beginning" and, if you think about
it, redefining "Nothing."
 But I've often pointed this out in the past:  Time and space are
products or features of our universe. Both only exist within the
universe.
 Using our universe to decipher it's origins is a bit like using a
CooCoo Clock to compose the image of the clock maker... You can no
more "See God" in the universe than glimpse the clock maker.
 This thought experiment is even more interesting if you remove "You"
and make it an alien who knows nothing about our species or culture.
Like if one day a CooCoo Clock just appeared out of nowhere, ripped
through a wormhole in space, maybe. What could he learn about the
clock maker -- his species, his likeness -- from examining this
clock?
 This would be infinitely easier than ascertaining the origins of
SpaceTime from looking at SpaceTime...

There is no "time". What we call "time" is just the manifestation of irreversibility of the Universe. Once something starts it cannot be stopped.
On the other hand, "space" is infinite. It is everything. It doesn't have beginning, you cannot shape it, it is bigger than anything else within it, everything else is within space.
Now, these are very simple and logical things, whether one can grasp it (including me) is a different matter, but this is simple and true. Now, a lot of people create their own fairy tales, and they want Universe to be per their measure. Well, their measure isn't true. So, we will hear about fairy tells forever, because people will never be smart enough to live in reality. People are ambitious, greedy, and stupid. They will newer contract themselves into the simple shape of the reality.