Re: The taxonomy of Sahelanthropus tchadensis from a craniometric perspective

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Sujet : Re: The taxonomy of Sahelanthropus tchadensis from a craniometric perspective
De : john.harshman (at) *nospam* gmail.com (John Harshman)
Groupes : sci.anthropology.paleo sci.bio.paleontology
Date : 05. Aug 2024, 15:39:57
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On 8/5/24 7:19 AM, Pandora wrote:
Op 04-08-2024 om 21:19 schreef JTEM:
 
  Pandora wrote:
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Actually, there's more than one individual of this taxon, from three different localities (TM 247, TM 266 and TM 292). This additional material was announced in Nature in 2005:
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Where are those localities?  I just did an exhaustive 30 second search
and could only find an actual location associated with 266.
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And, yes, I did search longer than 30 seconds but it wouldn't have been
nearly as funny if I offered a better time estimate...
 If it doesn't exceed your attention span you can read the paper at:
 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7920249
 Anyway, the three Sahelanthropus sites are within an area of 0.73 km2.
 
Not too far from where another hominin taxon, Australopithecus bahrelghazali, was discovered in 1995.
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That appears to be where the 266 was found.
 No, the Toros-Menalla Sahelanthropus sites are about 150 km west of the Koro-Toro australopithecine site and stratigraphically ~3.5 million years older.
 
If you think that's the wrong place you must have some concept of what is the right place. Where would that be?
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Well any other day of the week the clown act insists it's South Africa:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle_of_Humankind
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I would have guessed that you knew.
 But why do you think South-Africa is the right place?
The phylogenetically most basal and stratigraphically oldest hominins are from East- and North-Africa.
 See for example:
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jhevol.2023.103437
 Their Bayesian inference analysis, with posterior probabilities for nodes given as percentages (fig.6):
 https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0047248423001161-gr6_lrg.jpg
 That tree topology would refute your hypothesis.
To be fair, if those are Bayesian posteriors, many of them are pretty bad. But what is JTEM's hypothesis?

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