Re: Using Diceware, BIP39 and leetspeak for Argon2id keys

Rich wrote:

Stefan Claas <pollux@tilde.club> wrote:

In my example above we have to memorize six words, without leetspeak.
 
reselect envelope nuptials lapping expand earpiece
 
If we write them down as two words per line, we have 3 lines of text
to remember, wich should be doable, like we learned much longer poems
at school, I would say.
 
I would also argue that one can replace words, they do not like, with
their own ones. Or one can completely omit the Diceware step and uses
his own passphrase with my dice2bip program.
 
For myself I do not use English words, I use German words.

 
My point is: "Try for yourself to memorize one of these, for some length
of time".
 
If you want to use German words, use German words.  But make one up
"six words", "eight words", "??? words", your choice.

I already did this a while ago with six German words and can still
rember them.
 

Then do an actual "memory test".  Try to memorize it, then give yourself
varying lengths of time between not 'remembering' it to see how well
you can retain the random words.

Ok. I will do.

I predict you'll find that without periodic refreshment, that after an
unexpected short time, you'll have mis-remembered at least one word or
the order of at least one word.

Well, what would you suggest then, as an example, some cool selfmade rhymes,
easy to remember or a self made peom etc., spiced up with special chars
between the words?

Eve can't know for sure what we can come up with in our minds, can she?

Beyond the few 'memory savants', most human memories, without periodic
refreshing, are quite lossy.  More like DRAM than SRAM.

Well, then old school saying: practice makes perfect.

BTW. Like I said, we can completely omit the Diceware step and use whatever
we want with BIP39 and Argon2id.

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Regards
Stefan