Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz

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Sujet : Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz
De : liz (at) *nospam* poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham)
Groupes : sci.electronics.design
Date : 19. Nov 2024, 17:12:26
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Edward Rawde <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

"Liz Tuddenham" <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Edward
Rawde <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: > > [...] >
Now approacing 90dB if you believe the simulation with with this
experimental circuit. > You'll want to find something else to do while
it simulates.
How to inprove it further?
>
At 1 Kc/s, a distortion figure of 90dB represents one cycle in 10^9, so
you would have to run it for 1000 seconds before the startup transient
became insignificant.
 
The startup transient was not included in the FFT but in any case the
circuit has other issues so here is a circuit which works as intended.
Harmonics are approaching 100dB down and 1k c/s is below 90dB. Simulate
overnight then stop. It will be at about 250 seconds. Select roughly the
last 50 seconds and FFT on current zoom extent. Number of data points may
need increasing.

The startup transient of the FFT would have to be included, so that may
set a limit to the accuracy of the simulation measurements.  Even if you
start on a zero-axis crossing, you will get spurious results because of
the finite length of the sample.

This can be demonstrated by doing FFT on samples of fewer and fewer
cycles from the middle of an apparently pure sinewave.  As the sample
length decreases, spurious harmonics begin to appear, even though they
don't exist in reality.

[...]
We could probably have a discussion here about why c/s is better than Hz

I don't know if it is 'better' but it suits me  - and nobody seems to
have any difficulty understanding it.  By using a descriptive term,
rather than a commemorative one, beginners find it easier to understand
as it sounds less like jargon intended to exclude the uninitiated.

(I have nothing against H.Hertz, it's just the principle that worries
me).


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4 Nov 24 * 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz64Edward Rawde
4 Nov 24 +* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz62Jan Panteltje
4 Nov 24 i+* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz23Bill Sloman
4 Nov 24 ii`* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz22Edward Rawde
5 Nov 24 ii `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz21Bill Sloman
6 Nov 24 ii  `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz20Edward Rawde
6 Nov 24 ii   +* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz8Jeroen Belleman
6 Nov 24 ii   i+- Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz1Jan Panteltje
6 Nov 24 ii   i+- Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz1Edward Rawde
6 Nov 24 ii   i`* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz5john larkin
6 Nov 24 ii   i `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz4Jeroen Belleman
6 Nov 24 ii   i  `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz3john larkin
7 Nov 24 ii   i   `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz2Jeroen Belleman
7 Nov 24 ii   i    `- Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz1john larkin
18 Nov 24 ii   `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz11Liz Tuddenham
19 Nov 24 ii    `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz10Edward Rawde
19 Nov 24 ii     `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz9Liz Tuddenham
19 Nov 24 ii      `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz8Edward Rawde
19 Nov 24 ii       `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz7Jeroen Belleman
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19 Nov 24 ii        `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz5Joe Gwinn
19 Nov 24 ii         `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz4john larkin
19 Nov 24 ii          `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz3Joe Gwinn
20 Nov 24 ii           `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz2Jan Panteltje
20 Nov 24 ii            `- Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz1Joe Gwinn
4 Nov 24 i`* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz38Edward Rawde
5 Nov 24 i `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz37Jan Panteltje
5 Nov 24 i  `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz36Edward Rawde
6 Nov 24 i   +- Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz1Bill Sloman
6 Nov 24 i   `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz34Jan Panteltje
6 Nov 24 i    +* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz20Bill Sloman
6 Nov 24 i    i`* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz19Jan Panteltje
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6 Nov 24 i    i `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz16Bill Sloman
6 Nov 24 i    i  `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz15Liz Tuddenham
6 Nov 24 i    i   +* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz13Bill Sloman
6 Nov 24 i    i   i`* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz12Liz Tuddenham
7 Nov 24 i    i   i `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz11Jan Panteltje
7 Nov 24 i    i   i  `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz10Liz Tuddenham
7 Nov 24 i    i   i   `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz9Jan Panteltje
8 Nov 24 i    i   i    `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz [OT]8Liz Tuddenham
8 Nov 24 i    i   i     +- Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz [OT]1Jan Panteltje
8 Nov 24 i    i   i     +* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz [OT]2Cursitor Doom
8 Nov 24 i    i   i     i`- Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz [OT]1Liz Tuddenham
8 Nov 24 i    i   i     `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz [OT]4ehsjr
9 Nov 24 i    i   i      `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz [OT]3Liz Tuddenham
9 Nov 24 i    i   i       `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz [OT]2Jan Panteltje
9 Nov 24 i    i   i        `- Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz [OT]1Liz Tuddenham
6 Nov 24 i    i   `- Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz1john larkin
6 Nov 24 i    `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz13Edward Rawde
6 Nov 24 i     +* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz8john larkin
7 Nov 24 i     i`* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz7Liz Tuddenham
7 Nov 24 i     i +* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz3Jeroen Belleman
7 Nov 24 i     i i`* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz2Liz Tuddenham
7 Nov 24 i     i i `- Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz1Jeroen Belleman
7 Nov 24 i     i `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz3john larkin
7 Nov 24 i     i  +- Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz1Bill Sloman
7 Nov 24 i     i  `- Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz1john larkin
7 Nov 24 i     `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz4Jan Panteltje
7 Nov 24 i      +- Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz1Edward Rawde
7 Nov 24 i      `* Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz2john larkin
7 Nov 24 i       `- Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz1Jan Panteltje
21 Nov 24 `- Re: 80dB now but still needs improvement at 1KHz1Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund

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