Re: another hint of quantum consciousness

On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 16:44:58 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
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On 9/15/24 12:53, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 15 Sep 2024 15:56:16 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vc5su1$200qt$6@dont-email.me>:
 

On 15/09/2024 1:03 pm, john larkin wrote:

On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:39:20 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
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On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:18:44 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
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On 9/14/24 20:08, john larkin wrote:

On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:36:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
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On 9/14/24 17:13, john larkin wrote:

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https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/
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Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes away when
an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be quantified.
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I paraphrase: "Since we don't know how it works, it must be quantum".

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Or, more conventionally, "It can't be quantum because QM only works at
liquid helium temperatures."
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That's it then: Quantum-something is merely religion. The god of the
gaps.
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There's a lot of quantum nonsense about. This is just one example.
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Well, explain how we can name one image out of maybe a million stored
images, in a fraction of a second.
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Yes, that's the typical comeback of religious believers.

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I don't recall invoking religion here, or calling myself a believer. I
was asking about image storage and high-speed matching. It's even more
amazing when you consider all the optical distortions and viewing
angles and changes in illumination and motion effects in real life; we
don't match nice flat photos.
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How are our collections of images stored?
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When some people encounter an unwelcome idea, they call the people
that they disagree with bible bangers, and assume they have won the
argument.
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I don't know how it works. Let's find out. AI seems to be
getting there, and it requires no quantum theory. Just loads
of data and a lot of matrix math.

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You are determined to exclude the possibility that are brains use QM.
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Given that most all physics and chemistry is fundamentally quantum
mechanical, why would evolution refuse to allow cells to use quantum
effects?
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Most people don't really believe in evolution.
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Jeroen Belleman

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It would be pretty good packing, storing one bit of data per atom.
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https://interestingengineering.com/science/wobble-nucleus-of-atom-quantum-data
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or maybe more than one.
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Nice possibilities for quantum correlation, pattern matching, too.

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If evolution is that clever, why doesn't it exploit error-detecton and
-correction coding?
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 
It does all the time in RNA DNA
I was reading this stuff this morning:
  Explaning DNA organisation in chromosomes:
  https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/09/240912135801.htm
  http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/sstr.202400203
   there is still a lot to learn
 
design something, write some code, show us.
plenty of broken records around, not interesting.
 

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An organism with extensive DNA repair ability is Deinococcus
Radiodurans, so evolution is apparently clever enough.
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Jeroen Belleman

We would die of cancer before we were born if we didn't have error
correction in cell division.