Re: Phase or frequency modulation?

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Sujet : Re: Phase or frequency modulation?
De : jl (at) *nospam* glen--canyon.com (john larkin)
Groupes : sci.electronics.design
Date : 07. Jul 2025, 14:14:00
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On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:44:41 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

I have been checking the performance of a variable-reactance type of
frequency modulator which 'pulls' a crystal oscillator.  After
multiplication and mixing, the signal appears at 145 Mc/s.
>
Listening to this signal on an Icom 706 MkII transceiver I found it was
barely intelligible, with severe high frequency cut.  At first I
suspected my modulator but I checked the audio output of the Icom with a
good-quality signal generator and found the response was:
>
200c/s : -3dB
400c/s :  0dB
750c/s : -3dB
1 Kc/s : -6dB
1k5    : -10dB
2k0    : -13dB
2k5    : -16dB
3k0    : -18dB
>
(Using the wideband FM setting of the Icom produced similar results, so
the limitation was in the detector/A.F. stages, not in the I.F. filter)
This looks as though EITHER a 6dB per octave response is being imposed
on the output of the FM detector OR the detector is expecting phase
modulation.
>
The handbook for the Icom refers throughout to frequency modulation and
does not mention phase modulation.  Most references to modulation in the
2-metre band (144-146 Mc/s in the U.K.) mention frequency modulation and
the use of phase modulation would cause 'splash' into adjacent channels
at higher audio frequencies because of the rising characteristic.
>
Has my Icom been designed for a market where phase modulation is the
norm or is there another explantion?

Is your "crystal oscillator" a packaged VCXO? They generally lowpass
the frequency control input, the varactor thing, pretty hard.

If your rig is all tubes, probably not. But I suspect the rolloff is
in the transmitter, not the receiver.




Date Sujet#  Auteur
7 Jul08:44 * Phase or frequency modulation?31Liz Tuddenham
7 Jul14:14 +* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?24john larkin
7 Jul15:04 i`* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?23Liz Tuddenham
7 Jul16:07 i `* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?22john larkin
7 Jul16:11 i  +* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?20john larkin
7 Jul18:28 i  i`* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?19Liz Tuddenham
7 Jul18:48 i  i `* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?18john larkin
7 Jul19:06 i  i  +* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?15Liz Tuddenham
7 Jul22:54 i  i  i+* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?3john larkin
8 Jul08:50 i  i  ii`* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?2Liz Tuddenham
8 Jul16:16 i  i  ii `- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1john larkin
8 Jul12:19 i  i  i`* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?11Phil Hobbs
8 Jul12:30 i  i  i +- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1Liz Tuddenham
8 Jul13:45 i  i  i +* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?7piglet
8 Jul15:23 i  i  i i`* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?6Phil Hobbs
8 Jul16:55 i  i  i i +* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?4Liz Tuddenham
8 Jul18:34 i  i  i i i`* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?3Phil Hobbs
9 Jul12:29 i  i  i i i `* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?2Liz Tuddenham
9 Jul13:20 i  i  i i i  `- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1Phil Hobbs
8 Jul20:00 i  i  i i `- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1piglet
8 Jul18:39 i  i  i `* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?2john larkin
8 Jul20:00 i  i  i  `- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1Phil Hobbs
8 Jul23:20 i  i  `* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?2Ralph Mowery
9 Jul00:45 i  i   `- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1Phil Hobbs
7 Jul18:28 i  `- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1Liz Tuddenham
7 Jul14:41 +* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?2Don
7 Jul15:00 i`- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1Phil Hobbs
7 Jul18:28 +* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?2Liz Tuddenham
9 Jul09:08 i`- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1Liz Tuddenham
8 Jul22:25 `* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?2Ralph Mowery
9 Jul09:08  `- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1Liz Tuddenham

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