Re: Oscillator Distortion

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Sujet : Re: Oscillator Distortion
De : pcdhSpamMeSenseless (at) *nospam* electrooptical.net (Phil Hobbs)
Groupes : sci.electronics.design sci.electronics.repair
Date : 18. Nov 2024, 03:21:12
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On 2024-11-17 12:01, chuck wrote:
On 2024-10-20 5:24 a.m., albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
In article <veguu6$ofj1$3@dont-email.me>,
Cursitor Doom  <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
Gentlemen,
>
Last week I got an old (1968) pulse generator out of mothballs and managed
to get it fully functional again. However, before replacing the case, I
(true to form) dropped it on the bench and something on the PCB must have
shorted out against the metal tools it fell on, because it no longer works
properly.
I've found an issue with the principal oscillator. It's generating
distorted sine waves. It's a wien bridge type using BJTs as the gain
element and fine tungsten filaments as thermistors, so should produce near
perfect sine waves before they're chopped and shaped by subsequent
circuitry, but since the fall, it's not.
  The whole idea of making a sine oscillator is positive feedback with an AC gain  =1  while DC biased with negative feedback and not boosting to a pulse with high gain. So something must limit the gain smoothly like a hot bulb with lower impedance driven by a lower voltage.
  Below the inverting gain can be  R1/(R2 + (R(Q1)) =2 maximum unless Q2 is slowly turned off. and quickly turned on ;) otherwise known as fast attack , slow decay.
    The non-inverting side is unity gain for AC signals. So you got an oscillator and the diode voltage turns off the PFET or Pch JFET. The output amplitude is controlled by the gate control voltage V(AGC) which can be attenuated to boost output voltage to 10Vpp with a series R around 4 Meg to the 1 Meg shunt.  The FET threshold of 0.5V and the diode voltage with 1Meg is only 0.4V so slightly less than 1Vp is achieved.
   With a -voltage below ground must meet the FET threshold  to control gain with a ground reference.   This was copied directly from LTSpice examples > education.  If you understand any of what I said then you recognize the differences with Hewlett Packard's old design.
 Whatever is boosting the gain of your circuit or NOT cutting the gain with high R must be fixed.
There's no requirement that the amplitude regulation be continuous.  It can also be done with a comparator that fires occasionally when the amplitude gets too large.
One approach is to have the oscillator's tail current controlled by an integrator, with a resistor causing the current to increase slowly, and a comparator  causing it to kick it down by a fixed amount whenever the amplitude threshold is crossed.
Adjusting the phase of the signal at the comparator so that the kick arrives at the peak of the collector current waveform reduces the resulting small phase jitter.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
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Date Sujet#  Auteur
13 Oct 24 * Oscillator Distortion42Cursitor Doom
13 Oct 24 +* Re: Oscillator Distortion9Cursitor Doom
13 Oct 24 i`* Re: Oscillator Distortion8Phil Hobbs
13 Oct 24 i +- Re: Oscillator Distortion1Cursitor Doom
13 Oct 24 i +* Re: Oscillator Distortion5Joe Gwinn
13 Oct 24 i i+* Re: Oscillator Distortion3Cursitor Doom
13 Oct 24 i ii+- Re: Oscillator Distortion1Joe Gwinn
14 Oct 24 i ii`- Re: Oscillator Distortion1piglet
14 Oct 24 i i`- Re: Oscillator Distortion1Cursitor Doom
13 Oct 24 i `- Re: Oscillator Distortion1Cursitor Doom
13 Oct 24 +* Re: Oscillator Distortion3john larkin
13 Oct 24 i`* Re: Oscillator Distortion2Phil Hobbs
14 Oct 24 i `- Re: Oscillator Distortion1Cursitor Doom
14 Oct 24 +- Re: Oscillator Distortion1john larkin
14 Oct 24 +* Re: Oscillator Distortion13Cursitor Doom
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16 Oct 24 i i`* Re: Oscillator Distortion4Cursitor Doom
16 Oct 24 i i `* Re: Oscillator Distortion3Roger Hayter
16 Oct 24 i i  `* Re: Oscillator Distortion2Joe Gwinn
17 Oct 24 i i   `- Re: Oscillator Distortion1Bill Sloman
17 Oct 24 i `* Re: Oscillator Distortion6piglet
17 Oct 24 i  `* Re: Oscillator Distortion5Cursitor Doom
17 Oct 24 i   `* Re: Oscillator Distortion4piglet
17 Oct 24 i    `* Re: Oscillator Distortion3Cursitor Doom
17 Oct 24 i     `* Re: Oscillator Distortion2piglet
17 Oct 24 i      `- Re: Oscillator Distortion1Cursitor Doom
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18 Nov 24 i`* Re: Oscillator Distortion12Phil Hobbs
18 Nov 24 i `* Re: Oscillator Distortion11chuck
18 Nov 24 i  `* Re: Oscillator Distortion10Phil Hobbs
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19 Nov 24 i   `* Re: Oscillator Distortion7Liz Tuddenham
19 Nov 24 i    `* Re: Oscillator Distortion6Phil Hobbs
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19 Nov 24 i      `* Re: Oscillator Distortion4Phil Hobbs
22 Nov 24 i       `* Re: Oscillator Distortion3chuck
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