Re: another fast one-shot

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Sujet : Re: another fast one-shot
De : jl (at) *nospam* 650pot.com (john larkin)
Groupes : sci.electronics.design
Date : 13. Jun 2024, 16:31:06
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On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 16:03:04 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:

On 13/06/2024 4:11 am, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:22:49 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
 
On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 09:33:17 -0700, john larkin wrote:
>
Here's another idea for a fast one-shot. This is the just-apply-money
version and should get close to 1 ns pulse width and should easily
trigger at 150 MHz.
>
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/1okfo8964bw5m53mjmxs6/
Pecl_One_Shot_1.jpg?rlkey=dwus6qjyqsynl2rv6uje2xxtj&raw=1
>
I can use the other half of the dual comparator elsewhere. This one has
programmable hysteresis too.
>
Exposing my contemptworthy ignorance here no doubt, but what exactly is it
that is fast about this design, John? And what would its application be?
 
It would have a leading-edge prop delay of 350 ps, a minimum pulse
width just over 1 ns, and would easily trigger at 150 MHz. Integrated
one-shots, xxx123 types, are always terrible, even the obsolete ECL
ones.
 
It would be a programmable delay in a number of possible products,
including some optical modulators. Just playing right now.
 
More dollars could certainly do something faster, but as long as
customers connect boxes with cables, faster isn't worth a lot. Light
just moves too slow.
 
Any suggestions for a faster one-shot?
>
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>
It's just a two transistor emitter-coupled monostable, but with the two
transistors as BFR92's run at 10mA,  it produces 1nsec pulse without fuss.
>
Finding the broad-band PNPs to let you translate the output pulse to a
useful voltage level is tricky. Phil Hobbs has told us that there is a
least one still in production and available.
>
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

What a mess. The output pulse width just follows the input pulse
width. Unless you change C1, in which case it oscillates.

It's ugly too. Obviously frobbed until it seems to work.



Date Sujet#  Auteur
12 Jun 24 * another fast one-shot18john larkin
12 Jun 24 `* Re: another fast one-shot17Cursitor Doom
12 Jun 24  `* Re: another fast one-shot16john larkin
12 Jun 24   +- Re: another fast one-shot1john larkin
13 Jun 24   +- Re: another fast one-shot1Cursitor Doom
13 Jun 24   `* Re: another fast one-shot13Bill Sloman
13 Jun 24    +* Re: another fast one-shot4john larkin
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22 Jun 24    i `* Re: another fast one-shot2john larkin
22 Jun 24    i  `- Re: another fast one-shot1Bill Sloman
14 Jun 24    `* Re: another fast one-shot8piglet
22 Jun 24     +- Re: another fast one-shot1Bill Sloman
22 Jun 24     `* Re: another fast one-shot6john larkin
23 Jun 24      `* Re: another fast one-shot5Bill Sloman
23 Jun 24       `* Re: another fast one-shot4Cursitor Doom
23 Jun 24        +* Re: another fast one-shot2john larkin
24 Jun 24        i`- Re: another fast one-shot1Bill Sloman
24 Jun 24        `- Re: another fast one-shot1Bill Sloman

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