Re: yes!

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Sujet : Re: yes!
De : jl (at) *nospam* 650pot.com (john larkin)
Groupes : sci.electronics.design
Date : 21. Aug 2024, 00:08:50
Autres entêtes
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On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 12:38:30 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

"Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:va2aup$3dra1$2@dont-email.me...
On 20/08/2024 12:57 pm, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 22:31:53 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
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"john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message news:4mt7cjdnqt4i601lvdsrtivbg4iucgfuj4@4ax.com...
On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 20:48:36 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
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"john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message news:r7m6cjtpei82u2kg6a7g40r07okju99v5n@4ax.com...
On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 15:21:55 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
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On 19/08/2024 3:26 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 15:33:38 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
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On 18/08/2024 2:31 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 12:14:51 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
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"john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message news:dta1cj1f3pudq93ard2o2ve4dadero917e@4ax.com...
On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 06:26:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
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On a sunny day (Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:07:52 -0700) it happened john larkin
<jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in <06jvbjp36khao0m5ot65a1o1krricoasre@4ax.com>:
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I only got a couple of pages in AoE3,
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Which pages?
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Around 360.
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Ok since posting the question I discovered that you're mentioned on pages xxx, 294, 360, 524
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Bill Sloman should probably not read page 360.
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His whining centers on my inability to explain how I design
electronics, or where ideas come from.
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"Whining"? That isn't what I'm complaining about - John Larkin doesn't explain what his circuits are intended to do or what
problems their - presumably unique - features are intended to deal with,
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Design is all about using what you can get to do what you need to do, and a useful conversation about circuit design has to be
specific about both the problems being dealt with and the way the approach adopted solves them.
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Yes I agree.
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Sorry, I don't know. It just happens. If invention happened from
definable algorithms, everything would be invented all at once.
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So he just stumbles across his solutions, and doesn't know why they actually work. That isn't design.
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I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with stumbling across a solution.
But I agree that in electronics it should then be possible to explain how it works.
Other forms of art have similarities and differences.
Elgar likely couldn't explain where he got this from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUgoBb8m1eE
But he clearly would have had two things.
Training in music theory, and knowledge of plenty of music written by others.
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When I started work I was very concerned with finding the best circuit to meet the requirements.
But sometimes I wasn't allowed to use the circuit I came up with because although I could explain how it worked, I couldn't explain
where I got it from and I didn't immediately have any mathematical model for it. My mind had likely pieced it together from ideas
gathered from many sources including magazines a decade before.

Yes. Invention is a complex and mysterious process.

Also I wasn't always allowed to try things out to see if they worked well for a specific requirement because as a qualified
electronics engineer you should be able to produce the required design straight from the relevant circuit theory and mathematics,
shouldn't you?

I had a friend who worked for an aerospace company. The engineering
building had no lab space, because management assumed that engineers
just did paperwork.

I think a lab (with a Dremel!) is a fundamental requirement. Parts
aren't always characterized well enough that one can design just with
math, or with simulation. Abs max ratings are for wusses.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/v1yow0euq40xxyc7dy3cd/ALhGPhnhPEyV32GS2M5LChk?rlkey=cicg0l3ccdgdxbav856silaag&dl=0


Date Sujet#  Auteur
15 Aug 24 * yes!92john larkin
15 Aug 24 +* Re: yes!6Joe Gwinn
15 Aug 24 i`* Re: yes!5john larkin
15 Aug 24 i `* Re: yes!4Edward Rawde
15 Aug 24 i  `* Re: yes!3john larkin
15 Aug 24 i   +- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
15 Aug 24 i   `- Re: yes!1Edward Rawde
15 Aug 24 +- Re: yes!1Jan Panteltje
15 Aug 24 +* Re: yes!4Jeroen Belleman
15 Aug 24 i+- Re: yes!1Jan Panteltje
15 Aug 24 i+- Re: yes!1Jan Panteltje
16 Aug 24 i`- Re: yes!1Jan Panteltje
15 Aug 24 +* Re: yes!79Martin Brown
15 Aug 24 i+* Re: yes!76john larkin
16 Aug 24 ii+* Re: yes!5Edward Rawde
17 Aug 24 iii`* Re: yes!4john larkin
17 Aug 24 iii +- Re: yes!1Edward Rawde
17 Aug 24 iii `* Re: yes!2Jeroen Belleman
17 Aug 24 iii  `- Re: yes!1Martin Brown
16 Aug 24 ii`* Re: yes!70Martin Brown
17 Aug 24 ii +* Re: yes!50john larkin
17 Aug 24 ii i+* Re: yes!48Jan Panteltje
17 Aug 24 ii ii`* Re: yes!47john larkin
17 Aug 24 ii ii +* Re: yes!3Jan Panteltje
17 Aug 24 ii ii i`* Re: yes!2john larkin
18 Aug 24 ii ii i `- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
17 Aug 24 ii ii +- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
17 Aug 24 ii ii `* Re: yes!42Edward Rawde
17 Aug 24 ii ii  `* Re: yes!41john larkin
18 Aug 24 ii ii   `* Re: yes!40Bill Sloman
18 Aug 24 ii ii    `* Re: yes!39john larkin
19 Aug 24 ii ii     `* Re: yes!38Bill Sloman
19 Aug 24 ii ii      `* Re: yes!37john larkin
19 Aug 24 ii ii       +- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
20 Aug 24 ii ii       `* Re: yes!35john larkin
20 Aug 24 ii ii        `* Re: yes!34Edward Rawde
20 Aug 24 ii ii         +* Re: yes!32john larkin
20 Aug 24 ii ii         i+* Re: yes!22Edward Rawde
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii`* Re: yes!21john larkin
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii `* Re: yes!20Edward Rawde
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii  `* Re: yes!19john larkin
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii   `* Re: yes!18Edward Rawde
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii    `* Re: yes!17Phil Hobbs
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii     `* Re: yes!16Martin Brown
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii      `* Re: yes!15john larkin
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii       +* Re: yes!2Edward Rawde
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii       i`- Re: yes!1Jan Panteltje
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii       +- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii       `* Re: yes!11Jan Panteltje
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        +* Re: yes!8john larkin
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i`* Re: yes!7Jan Panteltje
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i +* Re: yes!2john larkin
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i i`- Re: yes!1Jeroen Belleman
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i `* Re: yes!4Edward Rawde
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i  +- Re: yes!1john larkin
22 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i  `* Re: yes!2Jan Panteltje
22 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i   `- Re: yes!1Edward Rawde
22 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        `* Re: yes!2Gerhard Hoffmann
22 Aug 24 ii ii         ii         `- Re: yes!1Jan Panteltje
20 Aug 24 ii ii         i+* Re: yes!6Bill Sloman
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii`* Re: yes!5Edward Rawde
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii `* Re: yes!4john larkin
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii  `* Re: yes!3Jeroen Belleman
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii   +- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii   `- Re: yes!1Edward Rawde
20 Aug 24 ii ii         i`* Re: yes!3Joe Gwinn
21 Aug 24 ii ii         i `* Re: yes!2john larkin
21 Aug 24 ii ii         i  `- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
20 Aug 24 ii ii         `- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
17 Aug 24 ii i`- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
17 Aug 24 ii `* Re: yes!19john larkin
17 Aug 24 ii  +- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
17 Aug 24 ii  +- Re: yes!1Joe Gwinn
17 Aug 24 ii  `* Re: yes!16Martin Brown
18 Aug 24 ii   `* Re: yes!15john larkin
18 Aug 24 ii    `* Re: yes!14Bill Sloman
18 Aug 24 ii     `* Re: yes!13john larkin
18 Aug 24 ii      +* Re: yes!3Edward Rawde
18 Aug 24 ii      i`* Re: yes!2john larkin
19 Aug 24 ii      i `- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
19 Aug 24 ii      `* Re: yes!9Bill Sloman
19 Aug 24 ii       `* Re: yes!8Jan Panteltje
19 Aug 24 ii        `* Re: yes!7john larkin
19 Aug 24 ii         +* Re: yes!3Phil Hobbs
19 Aug 24 ii         i`* Re: yes!2john larkin
19 Aug 24 ii         i `- Re: yes!1Phil Hobbs
19 Aug 24 ii         `* Re: yes!3Joe Gwinn
19 Aug 24 ii          `* Re: yes!2john larkin
19 Aug 24 ii           `- Re: yes!1Joe Gwinn
16 Aug 24 i+- Re: yes!1Joe Gwinn
16 Aug 24 i`- Re: yes!1Edward Rawde
19 Aug 24 `- Re: yes!1Sylvia Else

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