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On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 14:24:11 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>Polarization can save the day with toasters and similar appliances. Then you can make sure that neutral comes in at the top end of the meanders. In the US, 99+ percent of cases will not have line and neutral reversed.
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On 11/26/24 6:53 PM, john larkin wrote:We have polarized line plugs in the US, but the wiring old and newhttps://www.researchgate.net/figure/Age-adjusted-mortality-rates-from-electrical-injuries-per-1-million-population-European_fig1_221916189>
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The US (0.63 PPM) is probably low partly because we have mostly 120
volt gadgets. I usually wire boxes hot, and get tickled now and then,
no big deal.
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Some countries are astounding.
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Twice the line voltage makes a difference. Also, some countries such as
Germany have non-polarized wall outlets which was a clear mistake on the
part of the standards guys. Think toasters and forks.
isn't consistent, or becomes so over time. And so people often
intentionally defeat the polarization.
Part of the problem is that for many small appliances, the plug was
bigger than the appliance. Probably more expensive too.
Anyway, my instinct is that not polarizing plugs and sockets is more
realistic, as it forces manufacturers to pass safety regardless of hoe
things are plugged in.
Joe Gwinn--
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27 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 71 | Edward Rawde | |
27 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 70 | Cursitor Doom | |
27 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | John R Walliker | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 68 | Jeff Layman | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 66 | Liz Tuddenham | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 10 | Don Y | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 7 | Carlos E.R. | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 6 | Joe Gwinn | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 5 | Cursitor Doom | |
29 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 4 | Carlos E.R. | |
29 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 3 | john larkin | |
29 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 2 | Carlos E.R. | |
30 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | john larkin | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 2 | David Lesher | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Don Y | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 55 | Martin Brown | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 54 | Carlos E.R. | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 14 | Clive Arthur | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 2 | Liz Tuddenham | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Joe Gwinn | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 4 | Edward Rawde | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 3 | Don Y | |
29 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 2 | Edward Rawde | |
29 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Don Y | |
29 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 7 | Carlos E.R. | |
29 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 6 | john larkin | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 5 | Cursitor Doom | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 4 | Carlos E.R. | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 3 | Edward Rawde | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 2 | Carlos E.R. | |
2 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Cursitor Doom | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 38 | Martin Brown | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 37 | Edward Rawde | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 36 | Don Y | |
30 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 35 | Edward Rawde | |
30 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 32 | Don Y | |
30 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 30 | Carlos E.R. | |
30 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 29 | john larkin | |
30 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 26 | Ralph Mowery | |
30 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 21 | Don Y | |
30 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | john larkin | |
30 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 4 | Don Y | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 3 | Carlos E.R. | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Cursitor Doom | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Don Y | |
30 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 13 | Ralph Mowery | |
30 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 12 | Don Y | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 11 | Carlos E.R. | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 10 | Don Y | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 9 | Carlos E.R. | |
2 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 8 | Don Y | |
2 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 7 | Carlos E.R. | |
2 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | john larkin | |
2 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 5 | Don Y | |
2 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 4 | Carlos E.R. | |
3 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 3 | Don Y | |
3 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 2 | Carlos E.R. | |
3 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Don Y | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 2 | Carlos E.R. | |
2 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Don Y | |
30 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 3 | Jeroen Belleman | |
30 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 2 | john larkin | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Cursitor Doom | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Cursitor Doom | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 2 | Liz Tuddenham | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Carlos E.R. | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Cursitor Doom | |
30 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Liz Tuddenham | |
30 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | john larkin | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | john larkin | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Cursitor Doom | |
27 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Clive Arthur | |
27 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 8 | Ralph Mowery | |
27 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 7 | Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Ralph Mowery | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 2 | David Lesher | |
29 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Carlos E.R. | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 3 | Lasse Langwadt | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Jeroen Belleman | |
29 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Ralph Mowery | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 10 | Carlos E.R. | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 9 | Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 8 | john larkin | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 7 | Carlos E.R. | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | john larkin | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 5 | Don Y | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 2 | Carlos E.R. | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Don Y | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 2 | David Lesher | |
28 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Don Y | |
30 Nov 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 51 | Joerg | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 6 | Joerg | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 5 | Don Y | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 4 | john larkin | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 3 | Joe Gwinn | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | John R Walliker | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | Carlos E.R. | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 3 | john larkin | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 2 | Carlos E.R. | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 1 | john larkin | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 3 | Carlos E.R. | |
1 Dec 24 | Re: electrical deaths | 38 | Joe Gwinn | |
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